just installing the arm rest is a pain in the ass so im sure the rear seat wouldnt be any easier. Have you seen the space for their feet? not much if any, they would probably have to put their feet on the seat. Lets not forget about the seat belts to be mounted.

 

Not sure if it helps but I've noticed the US version of the car has interior lights on the ceiling at the edges just where the seat belts go in the European version, so the whole seat belt assembly would also need to be shoe-horned in, so sounds like something very complicated.

Going by how much work it is just to fit the arm rest in the car, I can't see you'd ever be able to get it to the same as in EU. Also you would have to see the legroom before you even thought about this as it really is unbelievably non-existant unless the front seats are moved forward quite a bit.

I'm going to document the testing of my new stage 2 (3-11yr olds) child seat on Friday in the back, using the ISOfix mounts. I'll take lots of pics.

 

I'm going to document the testing of my new stage 2 (3-11yr olds) child seat on Friday in the back, using the ISOfix mounts. I'll take lots of pics.

This is the sort of thing I'm looking for...what are ISOFix mounts?

I think the coolest (although I'm not sure the safest) would be a single child-capable seat mounted in the center. I guess I didn't consider any other options than the factory seat because I'm not aware of any aftermarket child seats (I'm imagining a baby RECARO but if there is something like that out there then that might be another option.

...I can't wait to see your build!

 

Seat belts!!! Who needs seat belts?

 

Yes I imagine it to be a bit of a job, maybe even requiring removeal of the front seats, etc., maybe a weekend or two of work, but what I'm most interested in figuring out are these two bits:

1. Can I get my hands on the parts
2. Will any "permanent" modifications be required

For the first I'm going to approach my Honda dealer to see if there is any possibility of them getting the parts. I'd prefer to go through a third-party (since it's usually cheaper) but I'm not aware of anyone carrying these type of parts yet (but if you know of any, please share!).

For the second I'm concerned about whether or not it would be possible to reverse the procedure. I don't mind spending a week or so taking the car apart and putting it back together but if it requires cutting it up or welding things in place then I might at least wait until the warrantee expires

 

Not sure how to get ahold of parts aside from assuming to purchase through a foreign countries Honda dealer parts department, but look up honda crx rear seat conversion and add in some annoying time consuming aggravation to deal with the seatbelts that are presumably covered up on the USDM model by the unique rear interior lights.How To: JDM EDM Backseat Installation - Honda-Tech

How To: JDM EDM Backseat Installation - Honda-Tech

 

States in the manual you should not put a child that requires a child seat in this car.

 

In the USDM that would make a lot of sense. If it is not equipped with the LATCH system I would never place my son into the car. I do not see putting the back seat in being an easy job at all. Would have to do more research, IMO the LATCH system is a must!

 

There are a number of folks here on both sides of the pond (and elsewhere).

A number of europeans have expressed desire for a seat delete. Why not find someone there that would be interested in swapping the parts with you? You might be able to find someone on this board. Shipping is expensive, but hopefully less than the cost of parts.

 

I think put backseats would not be a pain. Im going by my experience taking out my rears before on mulitple cars. All it is is a couple of bolts holding it down. I'm sure the rear seats should have the same mounting points. As for the seat belts, i'm sure it's as simple has removing the covers and mounting a small assembly.

 

ya i would tend to agree. as far as putting in a child seat goes as long as u have the anchor points in the rear i can't imagine anything illegal about it. The only reason you can't have a child seat in this 2 seat car is because the only place you can put it is in the passenger seat, which is not legal because of the airbags. however putting an adult in the back with no head rests may be a problem in the US/CAN... which must be a new thing because as i recall my friends 01' jeep cherokee had no head rests, heck, the damn rear seat barely made it up to the middle of my back.

Any thoughts?

 

i think i read somewhere the seats run $2500 or so...

 

for the rear seats? no way...

 

Ehh, just wait a few years. There will be plenty of CR-Zs in the junk yard, so back seats will be plentiful and cheap.























Just kidding. lol

 

Just put the kid in the cubby hole, it'll be safe and the coppers will never know

 

You must switch off the passenger airbag if using a child seat in the front. It can be done easily with a coin to turn the switch. On the subject of putting one in the back (of a modded US version car), well I would guess there are regulations if you try and emulate the ISOfix fittings, or perhaps less issues if using the old fashioned 3 point seatbelt to hold the child seat in place.

One thing is for sure, if you did get into an accident and lost a child because you skipped on something to make the back seat safe, I'm sure you wouldn't be able to live with yourself. Need to be sure that seat will be secure as hell.

 

Hello all, I myself would really like to purchase or swap with someone my rear US. version rear cargo folding storage compartment with the lights located behind my front seats for an actual rear seat with all the seatbelt attachments that come on non US CR-Z's. Anyone with help on this matter PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks. F7B

 

Rear Seat Parts

Hey, I am highly interested in the rear seat swap including the seat belts. I have been trying to get some part numbers and pricing on this board and others, also from a friend in Switzerland but not too much information is coming yet. I did manage to get a JDM rear seat illustration with all of the parts and it does not look impossible. I will keep you posted as new information about parts and cost develops.

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OK, Thanks

 

So… I removed the rear cubby and folding part this weekend, It took about 5 minutes, a number 12 socket and a tiny bit of pulling. Putting in the "JDM or Euro" style seats is a piece of cake. I just have to get them now. Working a source in Japan (ridiculous prices so far) and another in Europe.

The seat belts, are an ongoing experiment, they require removing the interior rear body panels. I have some of the panels off no problem so far and am learning slowly how to do the whole thing.

The best news is that so far it looks like the whole thing will be just an hour of work to do with the Euro parts just dropping in for a perfect fit.

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This is a teaser pic. P:

A complete DIY when I get everything.

 

So… I removed the rear cubby and folding part this weekend, It took about 5 minutes, a number 12 socket and a tiny bit of pulling. Putting in the "JDM or Euro" style seats is a piece of cake. I just have to get them now. Working a source in Japan (ridiculous prices so far) and another in Europe.

The seat belts, are an ongoing experiment, they require removing the interior rear body panels. I have some of the panels off no problem so far and am learning slowly how to do the whole thing.

The best news is that so far it looks like the whole thing will be just an hour of work to do with the Euro parts just dropping in for a perfect fit.

This is a teaser pic. P:

A complete DIY when I get everything.

yeah i did the same with mine already just to see how much work it will be nothing to crazy at all.

 

can you weigh all of the combined parts that you take off and also the parts that you replace it with??

 

Bizzybear, I will do that. But from what I see so far its just adding the weight of the seat belt assemblies as I can't see the foam seats weighing much more than the hard plastic stuff I would take off. The replacement parts are just a couple of foam cushions (see the diagram). One for the seat bottom (4) and the the other is the seat-back cushion (3) that uses the same hard frame (2) that folds down into the floor. Seat belts are maybe a couple of pounds each?

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I can see how some people would want this as an option, but I am not interested. I am also not sure about the US regulations since it is designed as a 2 person vehicle in the US.

 

That is something I would worry about. If you put this seat in and have someone riding in the back and gets injured or you sell the car and someone is riding in the back and gets in an accident and becomes injured, who then becomes liable? That is something to think about especially if you live in CA::bricks:.

 

If it helps, I'd be looking to order parts from whomever you are talking to as well.

-Hoi

 

Yeah I would be worried about rigging something up too! But what I'm doing is bolting all the stuff Honda bolts on to these same cars for use in the EU and Japanese markets. I feel pretty good about the quality as far as accidents goes; the CR-Z got excellent crash test results. A big plus is I don't drive dumb and I don't live my life thinking about stuff like that. When it's finished you won't be able to tell that it wasn't there before.

 

I understand that, I really do. But if someone can file a law suit and win over McDonald's coffee being hot and a burglar can sue a store owner for injury when he cuts the power line instead of the alarm line and win all I am saying is be careful. I am sure a lawyer in no time can find out USA models weren't built with a back seat and that opens a huge door- insurance companies for that matter too.

 

Are the seatbelt mounting points (for those of you who dissassembled the rear storage) already there? I was thinking of maybe going to grab some belts off on an honda insite and testing it out.

-Hoi

 

Seat Belt Mounting Points



Hey there, yes all of the mounting points are there for the seat belts, hmm an Insight... thanks for the idea. I will test this and let you know.

 

hello

I am owner of an european crz car with back seats and i would like to let you know that the spaces back there is very limited and designed for smal trips. it is also written in the manual book and comercial spots "the back seats can only carry not very tall adult on short distances or children on longer trips".

The worst of all this is if you plan to seat back there you have to be not only squeazed but also your neck to be bented because your head touch the celling.

Anyway its ok for me coz i can put 1 or ~2 ppl and carried them for a short distance.

What i am looking for is if there is a way to modificate the lower part of the back seat so if someone seat there at least to have his neck straight. its very important.At least 1 person in the midle. For the non back seat model i can see there are some storage spaces in the place of back seats. i wonder if there is the same space for my car under the seats so i can use it for earning a litle more height. I am planning one day to take out them to see what can i do.

Thanks for the instruction.

 

Ha, even better that me going to pick and pull.... Let me know if it works

-Hoi

 

Have anyone tried yet to take out the bottom of the back seat? Or at least to lift it a bit. It seems there are 2 mounting points that holding it down but i dont know how to release them. you have any adea? I marked these points in the diagram.

 

Has anyone found the rear seat with seatbelts with hardware for sale or trade with the US version ?