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I have 18x8 225/40/18 and 18x9 235/40/18. I can tell you that the 18x8 with the 225 definitely sits higher than the 18x9 235 because of the stretch. It isn't that far off, but you can definitely tell.
Woo-Hoo! CONFIRMED!

;)

Yeah, one tire size probably isn't significant. But nice to know my brain isn't totally cooked.
 
BTW, I just noticed, the rims aren't at the same height. Did you by chance just set the 2 wheels on the floor? I suspect that if you were to compare them with both wheels suspended on a pipe or something the height difference would be much smaller.
They're both on the ground. One rim sits lower because the profile of the tire at the bottom is lower like it is at the top. Stretch has no effect on wheel diameter, myth busted?

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That is why all the tire manufacturers have an approved rim-width range. Go outside the approved rim-width range and yes, it will start to change the overall diameter, which is why they have the approved rim width range. That doesn't mean it's ok, you should stay within the manufacturer approved rim width range.

Example, click on "sizes" and you can see the first size critera after the product code is the 'approved rim width range'. Toyo goes a step further by listing not just two numbers (the low and high ends, like Tire Rack), but three. You can see the middle value of the rim width range is bolded, indicating the best fit.

Tire Rack lists rim width ranges like so: 6.5"-8.5"
While some tire manufacturers like Toyo go a step further like so: 6.5"-7.5"-8.5", with the middle, bolded value being the most ideal for that size.

PROXES RA1 | Toyo Tires

To address the comparison being discussed:

A 225/40/18 on a 18x8, is at the narrower end of the rim width range for that tire size (7.5-9), while the 235/40/18 on an 18x9 is at the wider-end of the approved rim width range (8-9.5).

This comparison is using two tire sizes and rim withs that are at opposite ends of each other with regards to the rim width range, so you will see some slight variation, and that's about as extreme example you can get while still maintaining the approved rim width range. If you want to make it look really different, and exaggerate the results as much as possible mount the 225/40/18 on a 7.5" wheel, and the 235/40/18 on a 9.5" wheel. Why? :huh: I dunno.

Realistically you want your tire size to fall in the middle of the recommended rim width range, like how Toyo has listed the low and high end, while bolding the ideal rim width in the middle for the given tire size. If you have a 7" wide wheel, you ideally want the rim width range of the tire size to be something like 6.5"-8". If you go to the very edge of the rim width range, going for that 'stretch' look you will see some variance, but you're pushing it anyway just to achieve a certain cosmetic aesthetic value, and clearly less concerned about performance.
 
They're both on the ground. One rim sits lower because the profile of the tire at the bottom is lower like it is at the top. Stretch has no effect on wheel diameter, myth busted?

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I guess so, I still say some of it in your example is due to the fact that the 195 tire is bald. Good God man, there's like an inch of diameter due to lack of tread right there!:p
 
I guess so, I still say some of it in your example is due to the fact that the 195 tire is bald. Good God man, there's like an inch of diameter due to lack of tread right there!:p
Looks like he might be missing 1cm of tread or so. I think some manufacturers just have trouble making tires the right damn size.

Back to my proposed system of innerD/outerD/width. The ratio thing is stupid.
 
:blink: And here I thought only NASCAR drivers corded their tires! Well, now I know better I suppose. Not sure how you avoided a blowout or wrecking in the rain on those things, dang!
 
:blink: And here I thought only NASCAR drivers corded their tires! Well, now I know better I suppose. Not sure how you avoided a blowout or wrecking in the rain on those things, dang!
Bought them like that. I put them on and drove to school for 2 days and took them back off. Probably gonna put some 205s on them next week.

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18" Good:
185/40/18 -2.5%
185/45/18 0.5%
195/40/18 -1.2%
195/45/18 1.9%
205/40/18 0.0%
215/35/18 -2.1%
215/40/18 -1.3%
225/35/18 -1.0%
225/40/18 2.6%
235/35/18 0.1%
245/35/18 1.3%
255/30/18 -1.7%
255/35/18 2.4%

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Hey, Guys. Thanks for putting together this awesome thread. I'm getting new tires to replace my factory tires (195/55/16 ) but I'm not replacing the factory wheels. I'm pretty sure after looking at this list and the fitment guide on miata.net that the 215/50/16 tires will fit my OEM 16 inch wheels. (they are only .1% different than the original tires) Would I be correct in assuming these will fit the stock 16 inch rim? I'm about to make a purchase, but thought I'd double check, just in case. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
-Dan
 
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Hey, Guys. Thanks for putting together this awesome thread. I'm getting new tires to replace my factory tires (195/55/16 ) but I'm not replacing the factory wheels. I'm pretty sure after looking at this list and the fitment guide on miata.net that the 215/50/16 tires will fit my OEM 16 inch wheels. (they are only .1% different than the original tires) Would I be correct in assuming these will fit the stock 16 inch rim? I'm about to make a purchase, but thought I'd double check, just in case. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
-Dan
This may be a little late of a reply, but yes that size will fit just fine. I currently have that size on my stock wheels and so far they've been great.
 
205/60r16 ???

This is driving me crazy guys, I've been googling and searching all over to see if anyone has tried running 205/60R16 on the stock rims.

I know per this thread that its not recommended but I'm trying to get my car as far off the ground as possible this winter because up here in northern MN we get lots of snow really fast and wayyyy too many times during my ownership of this car a plow will push up a line of snow like a small snow bank 6 inches tall packed hard across my driveway and thats it, there is no getting over that without a running start and a lack of regard for the front lip.

As an expirement I've successfully gained a little more than an inch in clearance by inserting rubber coil spring booster blocks into all my coil springs front and back (pics and a writeup on that to come) so now I REALLY want to get the tallest possible snow tire that will fit so I can come up with a total gain of two or more inches clearance for the deep snow.

Looking in the front fender what concerns me the most is the bottom base plate for coil spring on the strut. Even with my bald, stock 195/55R16s the tire seems suspiciously close to that plate. I realize that distance is fixed but it doesn't seem like there is a lot of wiggle room.

This guy, on ecomodder, claims he ran 205/65R16 on stock rims as part of an efficiency test. :dunno: That is over 2 inches taller diameter than stock, how did he not end up with the tire touching that base plate??

Taller Tire Test (5.7% MPG increase observed on Honda CR-Z @ 55-65 MPH) - Fuel Economy, Hypermiling, EcoModding News and Forum - EcoModder.com

I haven't been able to find any cases of anyone else claiming to run 205/60R16 or 205/65R16 on the CRZ. I know I should just settle for the 205/55 that everyone else runs but I really really want that extra .8 inches of clearance...

So besides the "quit being silly and just get the 205/55", any advice? :nervous:
 
I ended up with 205/55, they tried the 205/60 but said there was no way. They didn't show me where all it was rubbing but they gave me the 205/55s and sent me out the door. Oh well, the /55 are plenty big looks beefy on the car with the little booster/lift kit I did.
 
That's a very informative, however as long as the diameter doesn't exist +/-3% over stock (195/55/16) that would be fine.
I'm running on 215/45/17 but I feel some in-responsiveness during accelerate.
Thinking of going back to 16" rims and tyres..

Wondering how 21" rims on CRZ would look like..
 
What problems have people had with 235/40/18 on a 18x8 rim? I'm looking at the Motegi MR122s with a 45 offset. The tech from tire rack initially suggested 205/40/18 but I looked at some pics in the threads and it appears that they will be stretched big time.

I'm not as concerned about speedo accuracy since I mainly drive via GPS. My main concerns are keeping a straight sidewall with no rubbing.
 
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