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Very good thread, btw.

I have one question though. Doesn't the width of the wheel affect the overall diameter?

For instance, wouldn't a 205/45/17 on a 17"x7" wheel be a larger diameter than on a 17"x9" wheel?
Diameter is a 2 dimensional measurement, defined as the distance of a straight line reaching from edge to edge of a circle that passes through the center point of the circle. So the thickness of the wheel doesn't change the diameter.
 
Diameter is a 2 dimensional measurement, defined as the distance of a straight line reaching from edge to edge of a circle that passes through the center point of the circle. So the thickness of the wheel doesn't change the diameter.
Uh, yeah, I know what diameter is. :cool:

But it would seem to me that if you stretch a tire on a wider wheel, the profile drops. And if the profile is in affect less, then so would the diameter. For instance, let's say you take the standard tire, 195/55/16, which is installed on a wheel that is 7" wide. If you put that same tire, on a 9" wide wheel, you have to stretch the tire, thus the profile is no longer 55mm and would be less. The same goes if you put it on a narrower tire, thus "bulging" the tire, and making the profile higher.

Is this not so?

Edit: This stemmed from Art's comment, when he said "The only thing is that the chart and calculator don't consider stretch."
 
Uh, yeah, I know what diameter is. :cool:

But it would seem to me that if you stretch a tire on a wider wheel, the profile drops. And if the profile is in affect less, then so would the diameter. For instance, let's say you take the standard tire, 195/55/16, which is installed on a wheel that is 7" wide. If you put that same tire, on a 9" wide wheel, you have to stretch the tire, thus the profile is no longer 55mm and would be less. The same goes if you put it on a narrower tire, thus "bulging" the tire, and making the profile higher.

Is this not so?

Edit: This stemmed from Art's comment, when he said "The only thing is that the chart and calculator don't consider stretch."
Nope, for wheels they are measuring the diameter of the wheel not the tire, which is why for OEM at least when they increase the wheel size the tire wall profile decreases to help maintain the amount of clearance between the tire and the wheel well. I think Art's comment refers to how some people alter how the wheel and tire are positioned to make them more flush with the car, rather than the recessed position most stock cars use.
 
Nope, for wheels they are measuring the diameter of the wheel not the tire, which is why for OEM at least when they increase the wheel size the tire wall profile decreases to help maintain the amount of clearance between the tire and the wheel well. I think Art's comment refers to how some people alter how the wheel and tire are positioned to make them more flush with the car, rather than the recessed position most stock cars use.
But I was talking about mounted tire diameter, not wheel diameter. Regardless, you sir, are correct. Here's what I found on TireRack - Tire Specs Explained: Rim Width Range for Street/Highway Tires

The width of the rim will influence the width of the tire. A tire mounted on a narrow rim would be "narrower" than if the same size tire was mounted on a wide rim. NOTE: Because the overall diameter of a steel-belted radial is essentially determined by the steel belts, there is little, if any, change to the overall diameter of the tire due to differences in rim width.
 
Not far out. The front will be fine 225/40/18 on 18x8 +35. The rear is what has me worried. 235/40/18 on 18x9 +40. Does anyone know if this will fill the fender wheel gap without me lowering it?
 
Just to update my setup. They fit perfectly without any rubbing at all. I'm stock height at the moment. I think the 235/40/18 in the rear is a perfect fit on the 18x9 rim.
Running the 235/40s on your 18s - how's the accuracy of your speedometer/odometer? (It's not listed in the first post of this thread).
 
Running the 235/40s on your 18s - how's the accuracy of your speedometer/odometer? (It's not listed in the first post of this thread).
Honestly, I'm not sure. I usually just roll with the speed of traffic. I would need to get my wife to drive next to me on the interstate to get an accurate judge of the speed differences. It is probably off by 2 MPH, I would guess.
 
BTW, I just noticed, the rims aren't at the same height. Did you by chance just set the 2 wheels on the floor? I suspect that if you were to compare them with both wheels suspended on a pipe or something the height difference would be much smaller.
 
BTW, I just noticed, the rims aren't at the same height. Did you by chance just set the 2 wheels on the floor? I suspect that if you were to compare them with both wheels suspended on a pipe or something the height difference would be much smaller.
Those are definitely both on the ground.
 
So if stretch supposedly does nothing to the wheel diameter, why is my 215/40 on a 17x9 way taller than my 195/40 on a 17x9?
I'm definitely not convinced that stretch does not influence the total diameter. All you have to do is to look a the numbers in the second post of this thread.

Look at the various widths of a 45mm profile tire and it's affect on tire diameter, all on the same width rim.

16"
Good:

225/45/16 -1.9%
235/45/16 -0.5%
245/45/16 1.0%
255/45/16 2.4%

17"
Good:
195/45/17 -2.2%
205/45/17 -0.7%
215/45/17 0.7%
225/45/17 2.2%

18"
Good:
185/45/18 0.5%
195/45/18 1.9%

In each case, as the tire gets wider, the overall diameter increases, because the profile is the same and the sides of the tire are squeezed together as the tire width increases.

In the case of these numbers, the tire widths are changing. But it's reasonable that if we keep the tire width the same, and vary the rim width, we'd also see a change in overall tire diameter.

What we need is for someone with two rims, both the same diameter but of different widths. Put the same tire on both and measure the overall diameter.
 
What we need is for someone with two rims, both the same diameter but of different widths. Put the same tire on both and measure the overall diameter.
I have 18x8 225/40/18 and 18x9 235/40/18. I can tell you that the 18x8 with the 225 definitely sits higher than the 18x9 235 because of the stretch. It isn't that far off, but you can definitely tell.
 
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