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Finally saved up enough to buy a headunit and all the required adapters.
This is going to be a build-thread of sorts.

Went with an Alpine ILX-W650:
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Adapters:
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Metra 70-1730
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iDatalink Maestro SW

I spent some time at the bench today doing all the wiring so i can hopefully just plug it straight in.
This is the result; front:
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wiring:
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SW adapter:
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I got some free (slightly used) Hertz speakers which i might slap in to replace the fronts if i feel like it.
I am not hugely sold on them... the build quality seems kinda sub-par (compared to similar Pioneer / Infinity / etc.).
Appears (from the FSM) the amplifier is actually what splits the front door speakers from the tweeters. Not sure if it does any filtering.
There are also capacitors built in to the OE tweeters, so i might just keep those when i swap out the tweeters.
I already took apart a spare OE tweeter, and the Hertz tweeters i got will fit perfectly in without much modification.
I might need to widen the tweeter bracket by a tiny amount.
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For the moment, the whole setup is sitting in the corner of my bedroom waiting to be installed.
It will have to be next weekend though, as i've got to prepare for uni classes & work tomorrow morning.
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The only concerns i've got are the mic, steering wheel controls, and handbrake wiring.
  • The in-roof mic appears to have a pinout on the HandsFreeLink connector, +/- pair with a shield. I think i can just wire those straight up to the 3.5mm pigtail i've got (just disassembled the included microphone from the Alpine for it). Hopefully it's not something that requires power to operate. I was hoping to just unplug the HFL controller and get my steering wheel phone answer/hangup controls from that connector.
  • The steering wheel controls are pretty self explanatory. I've already flashed the adapter and have a pinout i need to supply it. I've got a spare Metra adapter lying around, so i might take some of the already-pinned wires and put them into the adapter which is already spliced in. That would make it pretty easy.
  • The handbrake wiring, i think is also pretty easy, just need to remove the console. I am wondering the best solution to tap into the handbrake wire... Not really a fan of the tap-wiring-connectors (you know, the "blue ones"). I am currently thinking of just making a new spade connector with both factory and aftermarket wire crimped in. If it's the same as my 94 Accord, it's a yellow wire with a little plastic spade connector button on the handbrake.

Will update here with how it goes on Saturday.
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Update time!

Got the pins out pretty easily using a pin removal tool. And installed them in pin positions 22 & 11 (voltage detect & ground).
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I found that the HFL module uses a standard JAE 28 pin header / socket housing pair. Honda loves using JAE connectors it seems. They were also used extensively in my OEM stereo from my previous Honda.
I'll need to check the pin pitch and overall width before i order them, however.
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I can buy one of these for like $2 from Mouser (which is local to me here in DFW).
I plan to cut the header pins just short of the 90 degree bend and solder the wires i need directly to the pins. Then heatshrink over them.
That's the controls and mic handled.
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Originally, i was going to just run the USB extender (included with the radio) to the stock location.
However, upon researching that, there is no direct connection between the USB port and the radio on my CR-Z.
It is done through a little "USB Adapter Controller" box, located inside the dash (under the radio, right side).
On the nav-equipped CR-Z's, the USB comes straight to the headunit, and there is an "FM Distributor" in place of the "USB Adapter Controller".
The pinout suggests it's only job is reading USB audio (USB 2.0 only lol) and controlling USB device operation.

I think i'll just remove the entire module and adapter together. I'll run my USB extender down through the stock location.
*there is a much better idea wherein you just keep the stock USB wiring but get an adapter to convert the 5-pin connector to the aftermarket headunit (thanks MarioSilva)
Seeing as how the Alpine stereo only has USB 2.0, that is a much better solution.
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Mouser got the connectors to me in literal hours (for $5 after shipping even).
One of them had the aformentioned 90 degree headers for mounting to a PCB.
The other, quite surprisingly, had no bend:
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The part number is: 656-MX34028UF2 (Mouser) or MX34028UF2 (JAE).
This makes it a bit easier.
Before i soldered it together, just to be safe, i went out to the car and made sure it would plug in.
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And they sure did, like butter!
I estimate i'll need about 2 feet of wire to reach the connector from the stereo harness.

I ordered a Scosche TAUSB01B which isn't listed as working with a Honda but one review stated it worked on their 2016 CR-Z.
It will be arriving here tomorrow morning (again really fast shipping) but it was $14.
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The Scosche adapter showed up. It will not work.

I'm electing to give up on keeping the stock usb port and just running my own.
The Scosche adapter showed up. It will not work.

I'm electing to give up on keeping the stock usb port and just running my own.
I just ran a cable though the panel under the radio, the gaps at the front for getting a tool under are just enough to pop the panel in without pinching the cable, it's not the prettiest but functions fine, it puts the lead right where my phone lives anyway.
What I did was remove the old USB port which left a hole just big enough to fit the new USB port cable on my radio, so it looks almost completely stock. The little door has a gap for running cables out so that's what I use.

Another thing. I have that Metera dash kit and I didnt like how deeply recessed the radio sat, so i use a dremel to grind away the inner lip. This allowed the radio to sit flush with the surface and looked way way better IMHO. You might consider looking into that.
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All done! (But i ran into a few issues)
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From experience, i wanted to make sure the radio powered up and everything worked before i continued with installation. Interestingly, the clock appeared on the gauge display:
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And clock options appeared on the menu options, whereas before there was no option for clock adjustment. (or maybe i just didn't see it???)

All working, so let's continue to install:
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My wiring for the HFL plug was just barely long enough to reach. I zip-tied it up out of the way of the cabin air filter:
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I did as MrFastFox666 advised, and just zip-tied the USB to the panel here (as strain relief):
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The handbrake wiring was pretty simple, a little plastic cage covering the crimp connector. I removed it and soldered my wire to the crimp connection (easier than crimping new connection). And reinstalled the plastic over top:
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Sadly, i broke the little blue tab (trying to position the wire in a better spot). I put zip ties in to hold it until i can buy a new one.
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It's easily accessible from the little cover under the e-brake:
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I also broke the little light holder in the glovebox. That's currently epoxied together and waiting to fully cure. I can just pop that back up into place.
Interestingly, the handbrake needs to be in the off position then pulled back on before you can edit any settings. Likely a counter to people hard wiring it to ground as a bypass.

The only issue remaining is the microphone does not work. I'll have to dig into it later (probably next weekend) to see what the mic actually needs to operate. I wired up pins 1 & 2 (mic +/-) but i might have needed to wire up the shield as ground too. I have a video of it all working + peeling the plastic but i can't edit it at the moment.
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For some reason Honda thinks a clock is necessary so if you don't have the stock radio installed it shows up on that, maybe an ancient law. You should be able to go into your instrumental panel menus and turn it off, i never tried to adjust it just turn it off.
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I actually really, REALLY appreciate that little clock. on my Civic the clock was built into the radio and when I changed the radio I lost the clock. I tried adding a simple clock somewhere but couldn't find anywhere that didn't look horrible (also couldn't find any good looking clocks).

I think no car should be without a clock, honestly, given that cars play an important role in our everyday lives. But I also agree that users should have the choice to leave it as-is, turn it on with the stock radio installed, or turn it off when the stock radio is removed.
You can disable the clock using the steering wheel controls (like you would change lighting settings):
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I spent several hours today trying to figure out why the microphone was not working.
I went over circuit diagrams and thoroughly tested everything i could find.
Still not working, however.

I bought a new 3.5mm cable with lower gauge wiring + shielded to match what was already there.
Here are the three ways i attempted to wire up the stock mic to work with the Alpine HU:
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I tried C first, using the microphone supplied with the Alpine HU. But it was not shielded. This one resulted in a really bad mic signal.
I tried B next, hoping that the Alpine HU could receive a balanced signal. But it couldn't. This one resulted in no mic signal whatsoever. (no ground signal connected with that wiring)
I tried A last, thinking this is like XLR balanced to unbalanced wiring. This one had the best result but it's still incredibly quiet.

Next i checked the impedance.
The stock Alpine HU mic was 2.2kΩ.
The stock Honda mic is 7.5kΩ.
I am thinking this is the primary reason I can't get any good signal from the mic. I think the HFL unit has a higher gain pre-amp built in for the microphone.
I turned the mic volume all the way up on the HU and it is still almost imperceptible.
Also It really should mix the shield and - signal at the end of it's travel (near the HU) rather than halfway through.

I then pulled the mic out of the HFL / dome light fixture: (sadly i broke the tiny wires from the mic to the plug)
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I am thinking i'll just put a lower impedance microphone in and plug it in to that little socket and voila.
Any suggestions? Something i'm missing?

Update: upon taking apart the stock mic, i see some passive circuit components in it. Likely a band pass filter.
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And the mic only has two connectors (the outside metal is just hooked up to the bottom connector)
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I ordered the original Alpine microphone and i'll just cut it up and install it inside.
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Another small update:
Probably won't be able to work on the car this weekend as Texas has decided to go full winter wonderland.
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I did get the new microphone (it was listed as original Alpine, but it's clearly different than the one that came with the radio).
Or maybe Alpine sources different manufacturers for their microphones...
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Anyways i took it apart very carefully and ran the cable through the little stock rubber isolator.
The diameter is the exact same as the stock microphone. But the impedance is correct for what i need.

The only thing i need to do is terminate it with the white plastic connector and it should just work. We'll see.
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Update time.
Finally found the darn connector it's a Molex 51004 series, 3 position. (i.e. 51004-0300)
I wasn't able to buy any as they are discontinued. I could buy 500 in a bag for $5 on eBay but that seems a tad excessive.

I also received the little zip tie that i broke and installed it:
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I cobbled it together just to see if it would even work and surprise surprise it didn't. It is slightly louder now but still imperceptible.
I bought a brand new HFL mic unit (39180-SZT-G21ZB) for $200 and that will be here next week.
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I did extensive testing and finally found the issue with the microphone. It's phantom-powered with an +8V offset on the MIC + line.
I got it working without splicing the harness still:
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Now the mic works wonderfully! Had to turn the mic input gain (amplifier in headunit) down to 1.
So that concludes this install. Now to work on the subwoofer / rear woofers...
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Found that the stock capacitors were something like 1.5µF. This meant that my tweeters were playing almost no frequencies whatsoever. (crossover point would be 26.5kHz) I double checked by measuring.
I got some 12µF capacitors from Mouser and put them in. They measured at 13µF so my crossover point is 3kHz now.
The woofers were reproducing frequencies up to 8kHz (but not very well).
I installed some low-pass filters on the door woofers. Went with these because they were cheaper than buying the air-core inductors themselves.
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I used split loom and zip tied the crossover and wiring as below; red is input, white is output.
Crossover is on the dry side of the door. Didn't seem like any other good places to put it.
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I did extensive testing and finally found the issue with the microphone. It's phantom-powered with an +8V offset on the MIC + line.
I got it working without splicing the harness still:
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Now the mic works wonderfully! Had to turn the mic input gain (amplifier in headunit) down to 1.
So that concludes this install. Now to work on the subwoofer / rear woofers...
Hi Dacoder, you're a legend. I've got a similar problem. I was trying to use the OE mic instead of the apalling mic in my chinese head uni so popped the dash apart today to sort it properly. (or so i thought)

I snipped the pink and blue wires at the HFL module connector (I removed it ages back) and connected the pink and blue wires directly to the 2 pole 3.5mm jack cable for my chinese headunit.

does the HFL have the ability to provide this phantom power while also not being used for bluetooth/etc? Or will it happily sit there being benign while connected to the multiplug without the factory nav head unit? I know it won't work if it's not installed, i'm not that silly :)
Hi Dacoder, you're a legend. I've got a similar problem. I was trying to use the OE mic instead of the apalling mic in my chinese head uni so popped the dash apart today to sort it properly. (or so i thought)

I snipped the pink and blue wires at the HFL module connector (I removed it ages back) and connected the pink and blue wires directly to the 2 pole 3.5mm jack cable for my chinese headunit.

does the HFL have the ability to provide this phantom power while also not being used for bluetooth/etc? Or will it happily sit there being benign while connected to the multiplug without the factory nav head unit? I know it won't work if it's not installed, i'm not that silly :)
It can sit there happily. But if you connected to it before it will continually try and connect. I ended up blocking it with my phone which works.

You also need to cut a wire if you want to retain the phone call buttons on the steering wheel.
It can sit there happily. But if you connected to it before it will continually try and connect. I ended up blocking it with my phone which works.

You also need to cut a wire if you want to retain the phone call buttons on the steering wheel.
I gave it a go, and managed to get the mic working with the module plugged in. I had to relearn the phone buttons resistances with the module connected, but i'm over the moon to see the little phone symbol on the dash when I press the call button - little things!
After having too many issues with the Alpine headunit (bought during chip shortage, likely would fail QC pre-covid) I removed it and installed the OEM stereo back in.
If I do replace it again, it'll be a T'eyes CC3 or similar FYT headunit.
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