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With the CVT the paddle shifters let you kind of take over and shift when you want.

The question is: In each of the three modes (Eco, Normal, Sport) what ratios do you get when using the paddles?

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7 ratios in each mode. In Econ mode it always wants to take over and shift, but if you got it in econ mode then you dont want higher rpm's anyway. Kinda defeats the purpose of economy. Normal and Sport will let you carry rpm's all the way to redline and will not shift when you dont want to.
 

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Is this what you are looking for Diane?

Manual

Gear Ratios: 1st: 3.143, 2nd: 1.870, 3rd: 1.303, 4th: 1.054, 5th: 0.854, 6th: 0.689, Reverse: 3.307, Final Drive: 4.11

CVT

Gear Ratios: 3.173~0.529, Reverse: 5.666~2.167, Final Drive: 4.20
Going by those numbers the MT gets taller "gearing" for highway which explains how you MT guys are smacking us CVT guys in fuel economy posts.
 

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Going by those numbers the MT gets taller "gearing" for highway which explains how you MT guys are smacking us CVT guys in fuel economy posts.
Sorry for being noobish. :blink: Not very good at this so be nice.

I'd always thought lower gear ratio when cruising would produce better fuel economy. Hence the lowest number for the CVT is smaller than the manual in 6th gear. Doesn't this mean that the CVT when cruising, negating all other variables, would produce better fuel economy? Please enlighten me. :popcorn:
 

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Sorry for being noobish. :blink: Not very good at this so be nice.

I'd always thought lower gear ratio when cruising would produce better fuel economy. Hence the lowest number for the CVT is smaller than the manual in 6th gear. Doesn't this mean that the CVT when cruising, negating all other variables, would produce better fuel economy? Please enlighten me. :popcorn:
I'm a noob at this as well so take my words with a spoonful of salt!

My understanding is the important number here is the final drive ratio. The MT has a lower ratio hence lower cruising RPM's at minimal load situations.
 

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A final gear ratio of 4.20(CVT) is a lower gear ratio than 4.11(MT)
The CVT's final drive of 4.2 provides more torque than the 6MT's final drive of 4.11, but the MTs final drive gives lower rpms.

However, if it's correct to assume that the CVT has an effective highest gear ratio of .529 compared to 6th gear in the manual at .689, you'd have lower rpms at the same speed in final gear with the CVT because it's lowest ratio more than makes up for the less efficient final drive ratio.
 

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I've noticed that US CVT has a different listed gear ratio than Japan CVT.
Japan CVT:
2.526~0.421, FD 5.274, R 4.510~ 1.725

Numbers on US CVT actually looks "sportier" than MT.
 

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Going by those numbers the MT gets taller "gearing" for highway which explains how you MT guys are smacking us CVT guys in fuel economy posts.
actually it's quite the opposite... the CVT has the taller gearing here... i'll explain below...
A final gear ratio of 4.20(CVT) is a lower gear ratio than 4.11(MT)
again, opposite... read below...
The CVT's final drive of 4.2 provides more torque than the 6MT's final drive of 4.11, but the MTs final drive gives lower rpms.

However, if it's correct to assume that the CVT has an effective highest gear ratio of .529 compared to 6th gear in the manual at .689, you'd have lower rpms at the same speed in final gear with the CVT because it's lowest ratio more than makes up for the less efficient final drive ratio.
close and i'll explain now lol...


first off, the CVT SIMULATES gears, there aren't any actual gears in the transmission... i won't explain that here...

when dealing with gear ratios, i find it's easiest to look at it like this... "how many times can a gear go into its final drive?" so essentially the equation would be one of simple division... take the final drive and divide by the gear and that's how many times that gear can spin in a single revolution per min (rpm)...

6MT:
4.11 / 0.689 = 5.965 (during 1 rpm)

CVT:
4.20 / 0.529 = 7.94 (during 1 rpm)

so what that means is at its TALLEST ratio the CVT can spin at a rate of 1.975 times MORE than the 6MT... basically, if the 'gear' is spinning more, the speed is going to be higher at the same rpm vs the 6MT...

doing the math on 1st gear alone for both leaves only a 0.016 difference with the 6MT having the slight upper hand... if we factor in that slight advantage, a less power-draining transmission, and a slightly lower weight of the 6MT... this is why the 6MT accelerates faster than the CVT...

for those that might confuse the gearing: the "shorter" the gear, the higher the number... the "taller" the gear, the lower the number...

and for those of you that might confuse the FD (Final Drive): if you have a "shorter" FD essentially the number is higher... for example the CVT has a shorter FD than the 6MT... but b/c the CVT also has taller gearing, it makes up for the shorter FD and thus accelerating slower in the highest gear at the same rpm...

translating all this into mph depends on a lot more variables than just the ratios etc so i won't get into that here either... but i hope you all have a better understanding of how the gear ratios work now :hi5:
 

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This is a quick chart of the transmission and wheel rpm's for the 6 MT and CVT. 2nd to 6th are not correct on the CVT, just copied from the 6 MT.


6 MT
Engine RPM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
1000 3.143 1.87 1.303 1.054 0.854 0.689 -
Trans. RPM 318.17 534.7 767.46 948.77 1170.9 1451.38
Wheel RPM 77.41 130.11 186.73 230.84 284.91 353.13

CVT
Engine RPM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
1000 3.173 1.87 1.303 1.054 0.854 0.689 0.529
Trans.RPM 315.16 534.7 767.46 948.77 1170.96 1451.3 1890.36
Wheel RPM 75.04 127.32 182.73 225.90 278.80 345.57 450.09

Oh well formatting doesn't work
 

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This is a quick chart of the transmission and wheel rpm's for the 6 MT and CVT. 2nd to 6th are not correct on the CVT, just copied from the 6 MT.


6 MT
Engine RPM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
1000 3.143 1.87 1.303 1.054 0.854 0.689 -
Trans. RPM 318.17 534.7 767.46 948.77 1170.9 1451.38
Wheel RPM 77.41 130.11 186.73 230.84 284.91 353.13

CVT
Engine RPM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
1000 3.173 1.87 1.303 1.054 0.854 0.689 0.529
Trans.RPM 315.16 534.7 767.46 948.77 1170.96 1451.3 1890.36
Wheel RPM 75.04 127.32 182.73 225.90 278.80 345.57 450.09

Oh well formatting doesn't work
Can you give a speed / torque interpretation of that in gears 1 - 6 (assuming the CVT "shifts" at the same ratios as the 6MT) and what the speed / torque of the "effective" 7th of the CVT gives compared to the 6MT's 6th?
 

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Can you give a speed / torque interpretation of that in gears 1 - 6 (assuming the CVT "shifts" at the same ratios as the 6MT) and what the speed / torque of the "effective" 7th of the CVT gives compared to the 6MT's 6th?
The only thing I can calculate is that, I cruse on the hi way in 6th at 3000 rpm and at the top ratio on the CVT, that would only be at approx. 2350 rpm. So I would like a 7 MT please.:thumbsup:
 

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I'm glad this was all cleared up, thanks bizzybear!

The only thing I can calculate is that, I cruse on the hi way in 6th at 3000 rpm and at the top ratio on the CVT, that would only be at approx. 2350 rpm. So I would like a 7 MT please.
Going apples to oranges my Civic Hybrid could do 70 mph around 2100 rpm or under. Seeing my CR-Z do the same speed at higher 2300-2400 rpm is why I'm not getting the 44-46 mpg I used to get just cruising in the HCHII.

Not that I really mind. You have to pay to play. This car is much more of a play car than my old bland blue appliance.
 

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Thank you all for the clarification and attempt there of. It is all greatly appreciated.

:hail: bizzybear....:kiss:

I will have to come back sometime this weekend to reread your post to absorb/digest all that information. For a non engineering mind like mine, it just flew by me but give it time and I am sure my mush brain will come around. :mellow::popcorn:
 

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This is a quick chart of the transmission and wheel rpm's for the 6 MT and CVT. 2nd to 6th are not correct on the CVT, just copied from the 6 MT.


6 MT
Engine RPM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
1000 3.143 1.87 1.303 1.054 0.854 0.689 -
Trans. RPM 318.17 534.7 767.46 948.77 1170.9 1451.38
Wheel RPM 77.41 130.11 186.73 230.84 284.91 353.13

CVT
Engine RPM 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
1000 3.173 1.87 1.303 1.054 0.854 0.689 0.529
Trans.RPM 315.16 534.7 767.46 948.77 1170.96 1451.3 1890.36
Wheel RPM 75.04 127.32 182.73 225.90 278.80 345.57 450.09

Oh well formatting doesn't work
Assuming this is correct the CVT has a taller final gear which means less rpm per mph.

Here is a graph depicting speeds per gear for a 6300 rpm redline with 195-55-16 tires. The manual has all 6 gears graphed. The CVT only has 6 of the 7 graphed. The 6th gear was omitted and just 1,2,3,4,5,7 where used.

http://www.fatboyraceworks.com/gear...eter_2=16&Calculate=Calculate/Graph&Compare=1
 

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i added the image to your post jynx so ppl don't have to click on the link... to me it seems 6th gear is a bit short on the 6MT...

i also think it's neat to see how similar the CR-Z is to the 8thgen Civic Si in terms of mph @ rpm limit... check the picture and look how similar they are, only 4mph off at the maximum difference...

(i'm not sure why, but 3rd gear on the Si seems to be off... i distinctly remember being able to take 3rd gear to 84mph before shifting... this would put 3rd almost identical to the CR-Z)
 
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