I would like to see the horsepower up around 150 personally
Engine Torque Estimates
A recent quote from MSNBC about possible CRZ torque numbers:
What is everyone elses estimates about the final CRZ torque numbers?
Seem like pretty good numbers for early estimates.It (CRZ) has a hybrid drivetrain featuring a 117-horsepower, 1.5-liter gasoline engine and a 13-horsepower electric motor if the company employs the off-the-shelf hardware already serving in the Fit and Insight models.
The real reason to hope the CR-Z will be fun to drive while it wrings the maximum miles from each gallon of gas is the torque of the combined drivetrains. The electric motor contributes a significant 123 pound-feet of torque to the gas motor’s comparatively paltry 106 pound-feet maximum.
We cannot add these numbers together to learn the system’s peak torque because the gas and electric motors develop their power at different RPM, but we do get a picture of how the electric motor’s torque will fortify the peaky gas motor, which makes its torque at 4,800 RPM.
What is everyone elses estimates about the final CRZ torque numbers?
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Assuming it is a light car, I want 130 HP w/ 115 torque probably around the 5000 RPM range.
Once VTAK stickers are attached I'm expecting at least +100 tq...
Being serious I'm not an engine specs guy but wishing for enough to give the car superior #'s to the Golf TDI. Gotta have some edge even if these are both econo-sporty cars.
Being serious I'm not an engine specs guy but wishing for enough to give the car superior #'s to the Golf TDI. Gotta have some edge even if these are both econo-sporty cars.
I want 130 HP w/ 115 torque probably around the 5000 RPM range. I would like to see the horsepower up around 150 personally
Similar numbers with 130 horsepower and around 115 to 120 would be good for me. Far from the faster car on the road but I would like those numbers.
I like the 130+ estimates 
Let's all hope its a reality
Let's all hope its a reality
Uneducated guess - 130 hp / 110 torque
So if Honda put a bigger electric motor, but stayed with the same gas motor - does this mean more torque then?The electric motor contributes a significant 123 pound-feet of torque to the gas motor’s comparatively paltry 106 pound-feet maximum.
122hp/"up to 128 ft/lb torque" straight from honda.
I dyno'd mine at my friends shop, Equilibrium Tuning, Inc.. Stock they are said to have 122hp and 128tq. The dyno'd showed it puts 101whp and 111wtq, which is not bad since there isn't much loss. The way I look at it is this, it’s the CRX with a B18B 93-98 (LS) Long Block (145Hp 127Trq JDM) but weights 400-500lbs more and lacks a tad more in the top end. I think the CR-Z has potential with a turbo but defeats the purpose of a hybrid. I don't know much about the electric batteries or the electric motors.
If someone wanted to make this car a rocket like a CRX w/ B18C1, I would say Turbo and upgrade the batteries (if possible). Supercharger would be a waste in my opinion since you get the instant torque from the batteries. The weak point of the car is the top end, which the turbo would make up for. Maybe find a way to reduce the compression ratio and maybe some titanium valves and retailers, built heads, etc. That should allow more boost and a higher redline. Once again, it defeats the purpose of the hybrid.
One thing I have to say about the hybrid, 42mpg my @$$. Econ mode feels like a slug and it dangerous trying to get on the freeway while people are cruising at 80mph. Seems you have to keep it in Normal or Sport mode to compete with other drivers. I average 33mpg which still isn’t bad compared to most cars on the road. I believe a turbo would help with fuel economy if you can keep your foot out of it?
EDIT: Keep in mind his shop is running a version of a Mustang Dyno which projects numbers close to actual real world numbers.
If someone wanted to make this car a rocket like a CRX w/ B18C1, I would say Turbo and upgrade the batteries (if possible). Supercharger would be a waste in my opinion since you get the instant torque from the batteries. The weak point of the car is the top end, which the turbo would make up for. Maybe find a way to reduce the compression ratio and maybe some titanium valves and retailers, built heads, etc. That should allow more boost and a higher redline. Once again, it defeats the purpose of the hybrid.
One thing I have to say about the hybrid, 42mpg my @$$. Econ mode feels like a slug and it dangerous trying to get on the freeway while people are cruising at 80mph. Seems you have to keep it in Normal or Sport mode to compete with other drivers. I average 33mpg which still isn’t bad compared to most cars on the road. I believe a turbo would help with fuel economy if you can keep your foot out of it?
EDIT: Keep in mind his shop is running a version of a Mustang Dyno which projects numbers close to actual real world numbers.
Would be nice to see someone fitting in a full system exhaust.. I wonder how much gains would be made if done properly.
I too, personally would want extra power without going down turbo/supercharger route as it'll make "Hybrid" meaningless.. but maybe in the future, I'll hold myself content for now! :blush:
I too, personally would want extra power without going down turbo/supercharger route as it'll make "Hybrid" meaningless.. but maybe in the future, I'll hold myself content for now! :blush:
I think with Hondata, Intake, Headers, Exhaust we should easily see a 20-30whp gain. I think a 142-152hp (121-131whp) CR-Z would be quite nice as a daily driver and without much sacrifice with mpg (Maybe even an increase).Would be nice to see someone fitting in a full system exhaust.. I wonder how much gains would be made if done properly.
I too, personally would want extra power without going down turbo/supercharger route as it'll make "Hybrid" meaningless.. but maybe in the future, I'll hold myself content for now! :blush:
My numbers were a little higher, but very little parasitic loss as best I can tell.I dyno'd mine at my friends shop, Equilibrium Tuning, Inc.. Stock they are said to have 122hp and 128tq. The dyno'd showed it puts 101whp and 111wtq, which is not bad since there isn't much loss. The way I look at it is this, it’s the CRX with a B18B 93-98 (LS) Long Block (145Hp 127Trq JDM) but weights 400-500lbs more and lacks a tad more in the top end. I think the CR-Z has potential with a turbo but defeats the purpose of a hybrid. I don't know much about the electric batteries or the electric motors.
If someone wanted to make this car a rocket like a CRX w/ B18C1, I would say Turbo and upgrade the batteries (if possible). Supercharger would be a waste in my opinion since you get the instant torque from the batteries. The weak point of the car is the top end, which the turbo would make up for. Maybe find a way to reduce the compression ratio and maybe some titanium valves and retailers, built heads, etc. That should allow more boost and a higher redline. Once again, it defeats the purpose of the hybrid.
One thing I have to say about the hybrid, 42mpg my @$$. Econ mode feels like a slug and it dangerous trying to get on the freeway while people are cruising at 80mph. Seems you have to keep it in Normal or Sport mode to compete with other drivers. I average 33mpg which still isn’t bad compared to most cars on the road. I believe a turbo would help with fuel economy if you can keep your foot out of it?
EDIT: Keep in mind his shop is running a version of a Mustang Dyno which projects numbers close to actual real world numbers.
WHP: 110-112 @ 6000 RPM
WTQ: 119-126 @ Idle
Yeah I saw yours earlier, thats why I edited my posting about being on a Mustang Dyno. I hear Dynojets are a little generous on the numbers. A Mustang from what I have read shows close to real world and about 15-25% less hp than a Dynojet (depending on the calibration). This is the exact reason I hate Dyno's since you can calibrate them and you can have it say you have 1000hp when realistically you have 400hp. Best way to get real numbers is to road tune.My numbers were a little higher, but very little parasitic loss as best I can tell.
WHP: 110-112 @ 6000 RPM
WTQ: 119-126 @ Idle
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Now he is something that is freaking AWESOME! CR-Z with a K20
Video: Honda CR-Z gets the K-Series engine it was meant to have — Autoblog
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Video: Honda CR-Z gets the K-Series engine it was meant to have — Autoblog
you guys do realize this thread is over a year old right?? if you look through the forums you'll find a few dyno's on here... and an FYI, Mustang Dyno's usually read VERY generous in their numbers (ie: very high)...
as for the exhaust adding power, i forget the exact number but the results were very good... oh and the intake number too... i heard Hondata is working on the ECU, so hopefully something coming in the near future from them!
as for the exhaust adding power, i forget the exact number but the results were very good... oh and the intake number too... i heard Hondata is working on the ECU, so hopefully something coming in the near future from them!
the horse power should have been some more
That's less torque than what the car has currently. You'd have to rev it up to 7500 rpm to attain that much hp with only 105 ft lbs.150 hp/105 torque
RPM = HP * 5252 / TQ
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