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I feel like everyone's pushing the EV envelope a little too hard - We've got supply issues, battery issues, powergrid issues with charging, and weather killing up to half our range...

Am I the only one that feels like EVs are gonna crash and burn? The hybirds work - and there's tons of potential and innovation there. But there's so many problems with electric cars, but the big companies are just barreling forward with them.
 

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All my slightly tongue in cheek view of course and speaking as a long time IC, hybrid and EV enthusiast. :p

EV's are here to stay and will shortly (25 years or so) inherit the motoring world, assimilating relevant tech along the way and adding it to the Borg collective as uptake ramps up.
Innovation will march steadily on, batteries and infrastructure will inevitably improve, with a smart bi-directional national electricity grid on the horizon.
Huge amounts are being invested in EV R&D. Look what 100 years of that got us with the IC cars. 10hp bone shaker Model T Ford to 1000hp luxury Koenigsegg.
We are currently on about Windows 1.0 EV equivalent, so when we get Windows 7 onwards we will be talking.

We also don't want to have to rely on importing increasingly scarce fossil fuels from unfriendly despotic states or regimes, thereby supporting and financing them.
We have to wean ourselves off that addiction for our countries sakes and possibly the environment.

We won't be driving cars ourselves much longer anyway so it's all pretty academic.
We will be summoning an autonomous Google/Tesla/Amazon pod on an app rather than owning a car.
We will be in the back dozing or watching TV.

IC cars will be the preserves of museums or die hard eccentric rich enthusiasts who can afford specially refined petrol at £/$50 a litre.
We started off buying petrol (Benzine) from the chemist shop 100 years ago, and when all the filling stations are gone that's what the few will be doing again.

Hybrids have simply been a stepping stone, helping to prove some tech and that electricity can help in the propulsive mix.
They are really impractically complicated with twice the necessary propulsive gear of an IC car or EV.
EV's are so inherently simple and reliable it's also the death knell for the majority of the automotive parts and servicing industries.

It's the inexorable march of progress i'm afraid.

Inevitably in time we will all be in faceless soulless electric Google pods or the Amazon/Facebook equivalent. You call one up on your phone brain implant when needed, and it whisks you in bored apathy to Tesco's/Walmart or some other unremarkable destination, whilst debiting your Bitcoin account to the tune of 99p a mile and giving Mr Zuckerberg or whatever he is called an extra few billion. .. .

It might not be in my lifetime, but if you are under 40 it might well be in yours. In a couple of generations we will wonder what all the fuss with privately owned cars was about.
Every species or invention be it a Dodo, cathode ray tube television, Sony Walkman or a Ford Focus has its day.
Once it's habitat/road food/petrol or reason for existing has disappeared it becomes extinct.
Something better, more efficient, or cheaper comes along and it's sayonara to the old poorly built polluting rusty rubbish we had before...

Humans are such a dangerous random factor in driving as well that they will soon be priced off the road by crippling insurance as the autonomous vehicles share increases.
Governments will legislate to promote them, and insurance companies will hike up human driver prices to stratospheric levels for the diehards and classic car owners who refuse to go down without a fight. You haven't seen anything yet, so lube up that old school three bearing crankshaft and bend over.

Telematics (the black box in the car that watches your every move) will shortly be compulsory for Mr & Mrs Average (even if driven by pricing alone) banging another nail into the petrolhead coffin. Insurance with telematics £250, without £2500. 5 seconds of spirited driving or harsh braking (someone pulling out in front of you) will mean Insurance cancelled or £1000 extra premium thank you very much. It won't be our finest hour according to the Churchill Insurance dog, but it will be the beginning of the end of our independence and privacy. You won't be able to go anywhere in a car/pod without it being recorded in minute easily searchable web stalking detail. .

Classics cars will live on silently in dull museums on old derelict car plant sites, frequented mainly by men over 40, with collars turned up shuffling embarrassingly amongst the exhibits as if they were in a 1970's high street porn shop. Some cars will be trailered to track days or shows by the obstinate and wealthy for the last twichings of the dying corpse of being a petrolhead.

Petrol will again revert to being something you can only buy at the chemists for £50 a litre in brown paper bags to hide your socially unacceptable addiction to 20w/50 oil fumes and mechanical crapness. Our 120 year old love affair with the car as we know it will be over even before the fat lady sings the final song..
The oil industry will contract to pre internal combustion levels as petrol and plastics feel the might of Mumsnet, social networking and Google, there won't be a petrol station or cling film wrapped bio-engineered apple on a polystyrene tray in all the land..

Welcome to the second half of the 21st century, it's just around the corner, like your Google pod which will be with you in 2 minutes according to the App.

'Thank you for your holding, your journey is important to us (our bottom line). Unfortunately we are experiencing high customer demand for pods today. You are number 1,984 in the queue. Why not miss that hospital chemotherapy appointment or airline flight and rebook your journey for a later time.

Please hold to be taken back to the middle ages and a 1974 Austin Allegro or Pontiac Fiero will be dispatched to convey you to your destination in no safety or comfort whatsoever.
Please note journeys in an Austin Allegro or Pontiac are not guaranteed to be completed.

Your statutory rights and entitlements will be completely usurped and walked over by our corporate behemoth blood sucking data mining policies.

Press # Hash to see what a real mess the government is making of the transport system.

Press 1 to listen to a patronising message from our glorious leader and chief sponsor Elon Musk..

Press 2 to sink back into self loathing and depression about not doing anything to stop the tide of 'progress' and sweeping away of privacy twenty years ago.

Thank you for choosing to travel with FacePod today.. '

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Infrastructure isnt there. Personally speaking I find it silly that the lithium, cobalt and other mineral mines burn way more tons of coal and diesel to dig the minerals needed for electric cars (more than the cars themselves would burn by the time refineries do their thing) AND most of these materials are mined in countries where slave labor is an actual thing, even child slave labor. I just dont find this industry to be "Green" or earth friendly not to even begin with the human rights abuses that are taking place. But the powers that be that run the media and entertainment industries and pretty much the world can market these however they choose to give people like my sister and her friends an ego boost because they are kind and care about the environment. It brings me to the meme where a gas powered truck takes a gas burning generator to charge an empty EV. Also with the current infrastructure it limits peoples ability to travel as charging stations are not in place like gas stations are. That said time fixes everything...
 

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1. No one talked endlessly and mind numbingly about range with ICE cars and yet all you ever hear anyone talk about with electric cars is how many miles it does per charge. Dull.

2. Electric cars are completely soulless. They are the Spotify to the vinyl record. The digital cinema to the 35mm projection. The iPhone photo to the 16mm film photo. There is no quirks between them aside from what fake low speed noise the manufacturer has put on them and maybe some slightly different weight feel and power output. The myriad of variable you get between engine and transmission types and the joys and quirks of all of that is gone.

3. Lithium mining is an inconvenient truth that is disgustingly being swept under the carpet.

4. There is a ticking time bomb of tens/hundreds of thousands of electric cars that are worthless with hopelessly rubbish battery packs that at the moment do not seem to be financially viable to be replaced - leading to much shorter overall lifespans of cars.

I find it laughable the UK government barely taxes electric cars but charges £600 per year (about $900 per year) for a 10-15 year old car with a bigger engine. So you mean to tell me that me recycling and keeping a perfectly good car on the road is the wrong thing to do but buying an extremely heavy brand new car when the construction of the car is probably the most polluting factor is okay? Give me a break.
 

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All my slightly tongue in cheek view of course and speaking as a long time IC, hybrid and EV enthusiast. :p

EV's are here to stay and will shortly (25 years or so) inherit the motoring world, assimilating relevant tech along the way and adding it to the Borg collective as uptake ramps up.
Innovation will march steadily on, batteries and infrastructure will inevitably improve, with a smart bi-directional national electricity grid on the horizon.
Huge amounts are being invested in EV R&D. Look what 100 years of that got us with the IC cars. 10hp bone shaker Model T Ford to 1000hp luxury Koenigsegg.
We are currently on about Windows 1.0 EV equivalent, so when we get Windows 7 onwards we will be talking.

We also don't want to have to rely on importing increasingly scarce fossil fuels from unfriendly despotic states or regimes, thereby supporting and financing them.
We have to wean ourselves off that addiction for our countries sakes and possibly the environment.

We won't be driving cars ourselves much longer anyway so it's all pretty academic.
We will be summoning an autonomous Google/Tesla/Amazon pod on an app rather than owning a car.
We will be in the back dozing or watching TV.

IC cars will be the preserves of museums or die hard eccentric rich enthusiasts who can afford specially refined petrol at £/$50 a litre.
We started off buying petrol (Benzine) from the chemist shop 100 years ago, and when all the filling stations are gone that's what the few will be doing again.

Hybrids have simply been a stepping stone, helping to prove some tech and that electricity can help in the propulsive mix.
They are really impractically complicated with twice the necessary propulsive gear of an IC car or EV.
EV's are so inherently simple and reliable it's also the death knell for the majority of the automotive parts and servicing industries.

It's the inexorable march of progress i'm afraid.

Inevitably in time we will all be in faceless soulless electric Google pods or the Amazon/Facebook equivalent. You call one up on your phone brain implant when needed, and it whisks you in bored apathy to Tesco's/Walmart or some other unremarkable destination, whilst debiting your Bitcoin account to the tune of 99p a mile and giving Mr Zuckerberg or whatever he is called an extra few billion. .. .

It might not be in my lifetime, but if you are under 40 it might well be in yours. In a couple of generations we will wonder what all the fuss with privately owned cars was about.
Every species or invention be it a Dodo, cathode ray tube television, Sony Walkman or a Ford Focus has its day.
Once it's habitat/road food/petrol or reason for existing has disappeared it becomes extinct.
Something better, more efficient, or cheaper comes along and it's sayonara to the old poorly built polluting rusty rubbish we had before...

Humans are such a dangerous random factor in driving as well that they will soon be priced off the road by crippling insurance as the autonomous vehicles share increases.
Governments will legislate to promote them, and insurance companies will hike up human driver prices to stratospheric levels for the diehards and classic car owners who refuse to go down without a fight. You haven't seen anything yet, so lube up that old school three bearing crankshaft and bend over.

Telematics (the black box in the car that watches your every move) will shortly be compulsory for Mr & Mrs Average (even if driven by pricing alone) banging another nail into the petrolhead coffin. Insurance with telematics £250, without £2500. 5 seconds of spirited driving or harsh braking (someone pulling out in front of you) will mean Insurance cancelled or £1000 extra premium thank you very much. It won't be our finest hour according to the Churchill Insurance dog, but it will be the beginning of the end of our independence and privacy. You won't be able to go anywhere in a car/pod without it being recorded in minute easily searchable web stalking detail. .

Classics cars will live on silently in dull museums on old derelict car plant sites, frequented mainly by men over 40, with collars turned up shuffling embarrassingly amongst the exhibits as if they were in a 1970's high street porn shop. Some cars will be trailered to track days or shows by the obstinate and wealthy for the last twichings of the dying corpse of being a petrolhead.

Petrol will again revert to being something you can only buy at the chemists for £50 a litre in brown paper bags to hide your socially unacceptable addiction to 20w/50 oil fumes and mechanical crapness. Our 120 year old love affair with the car as we know it will be over even before the fat lady sings the final song..
The oil industry will contract to pre internal combustion levels as petrol and plastics feel the might of Mumsnet, social networking and Google, there won't be a petrol station or cling film wrapped bio-engineered apple on a polystyrene tray in all the land..

Welcome to the second half of the 21st century, it's just around the corner, like your Google pod which will be with you in 2 minutes according to the App.

'Thank you for your holding, your journey is important to us (our bottom line). Unfortunately we are experiencing high customer demand for pods today. You are number 1,984 in the queue. Why not miss that hospital chemotherapy appointment or airline flight and rebook your journey for a later time.

Please hold to be taken back to the middle ages and a 1974 Austin Allegro or Pontiac Fiero will be dispatched to convey you to your destination in no safety or comfort whatsoever.
Please note journeys in an Austin Allegro or Pontiac are not guaranteed to be completed.

Your statutory rights and entitlements will be completely usurped and walked over by our corporate behemoth blood sucking data mining policies.

Press # Hash to see what a real mess the government is making of the transport system.

Press 1 to listen to a patronising message from our glorious leader and chief sponsor Elon Musk..

Press 2 to sink back into self loathing and depression about not doing anything to stop the tide of 'progress' and sweeping away of privacy twenty years ago.

Thank you for choosing to travel with FacePod today.. '

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That was a most illuminating and entertaining read, Mr. Perkins. I especially like the doomer vibes, I do subscribe to that perspective on a somewhat regular basis :)
 

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All my slightly tongue in cheek view of course and speaking as a long time IC, hybrid and EV enthusiast. :p

EV's are here to stay and will shortly (25 years or so) inherit the motoring world, assimilating relevant tech along the way and adding it to the Borg collective as uptake ramps up.
Innovation will march steadily on, batteries and infrastructure will inevitably improve, with a smart bi-directional national electricity grid on the horizon.
Huge amounts are being invested in EV R&D. Look what 100 years of that got us with the IC cars. 10hp bone shaker Model T Ford to 1000hp luxury Koenigsegg.
We are currently on about Windows 1.0 EV equivalent, so when we get Windows 7 onwards we will be talking.

We also don't want to have to rely on importing increasingly scarce fossil fuels from unfriendly despotic states or regimes, thereby supporting and financing them.
We have to wean ourselves off that addiction for our countries sakes and possibly the environment.

We won't be driving cars ourselves much longer anyway so it's all pretty academic.
We will be summoning an autonomous Google/Tesla/Amazon pod on an app rather than owning a car.
We will be in the back dozing or watching TV.

IC cars will be the preserves of museums or die hard eccentric rich enthusiasts who can afford specially refined petrol at £/$50 a litre.
We started off buying petrol (Benzine) from the chemist shop 100 years ago, and when all the filling stations are gone that's what the few will be doing again.

Hybrids have simply been a stepping stone, helping to prove some tech and that electricity can help in the propulsive mix.
They are really impractically complicated with twice the necessary propulsive gear of an IC car or EV.
EV's are so inherently simple and reliable it's also the death knell for the majority of the automotive parts and servicing industries.

It's the inexorable march of progress i'm afraid.

Inevitably in time we will all be in faceless soulless electric Google pods or the Amazon/Facebook equivalent. You call one up on your phone brain implant when needed, and it whisks you in bored apathy to Tesco's/Walmart or some other unremarkable destination, whilst debiting your Bitcoin account to the tune of 99p a mile and giving Mr Zuckerberg or whatever he is called an extra few billion. .. .

It might not be in my lifetime, but if you are under 40 it might well be in yours. In a couple of generations we will wonder what all the fuss with privately owned cars was about.
Every species or invention be it a Dodo, cathode ray tube television, Sony Walkman or a Ford Focus has its day.
Once it's habitat/road food/petrol or reason for existing has disappeared it becomes extinct.
Something better, more efficient, or cheaper comes along and it's sayonara to the old poorly built polluting rusty rubbish we had before...

Humans are such a dangerous random factor in driving as well that they will soon be priced off the road by crippling insurance as the autonomous vehicles share increases.
Governments will legislate to promote them, and insurance companies will hike up human driver prices to stratospheric levels for the diehards and classic car owners who refuse to go down without a fight. You haven't seen anything yet, so lube up that old school three bearing crankshaft and bend over.

Telematics (the black box in the car that watches your every move) will shortly be compulsory for Mr & Mrs Average (even if driven by pricing alone) banging another nail into the petrolhead coffin. Insurance with telematics £250, without £2500. 5 seconds of spirited driving or harsh braking (someone pulling out in front of you) will mean Insurance cancelled or £1000 extra premium thank you very much. It won't be our finest hour according to the Churchill Insurance dog, but it will be the beginning of the end of our independence and privacy. You won't be able to go anywhere in a car/pod without it being recorded in minute easily searchable web stalking detail. .

Classics cars will live on silently in dull museums on old derelict car plant sites, frequented mainly by men over 40, with collars turned up shuffling embarrassingly amongst the exhibits as if they were in a 1970's high street porn shop. Some cars will be trailered to track days or shows by the obstinate and wealthy for the last twichings of the dying corpse of being a petrolhead.

Petrol will again revert to being something you can only buy at the chemists for £50 a litre in brown paper bags to hide your socially unacceptable addiction to 20w/50 oil fumes and mechanical crapness. Our 120 year old love affair with the car as we know it will be over even before the fat lady sings the final song..
The oil industry will contract to pre internal combustion levels as petrol and plastics feel the might of Mumsnet, social networking and Google, there won't be a petrol station or cling film wrapped bio-engineered apple on a polystyrene tray in all the land..

Welcome to the second half of the 21st century, it's just around the corner, like your Google pod which will be with you in 2 minutes according to the App.

'Thank you for your holding, your journey is important to us (our bottom line). Unfortunately we are experiencing high customer demand for pods today. You are number 1,984 in the queue. Why not miss that hospital chemotherapy appointment or airline flight and rebook your journey for a later time.

Please hold to be taken back to the middle ages and a 1974 Austin Allegro or Pontiac Fiero will be dispatched to convey you to your destination in no safety or comfort whatsoever.
Please note journeys in an Austin Allegro or Pontiac are not guaranteed to be completed.

Your statutory rights and entitlements will be completely usurped and walked over by our corporate behemoth blood sucking data mining policies.

Press # Hash to see what a real mess the government is making of the transport system.

Press 1 to listen to a patronising message from our glorious leader and chief sponsor Elon Musk..

Press 2 to sink back into self loathing and depression about not doing anything to stop the tide of 'progress' and sweeping away of privacy twenty years ago.

Thank you for choosing to travel with FacePod today.. '

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The worst part of your rant/ramble/fortune-telling...it's almost all going to end up a reality. It's not something that is difficult to imagine, it's already happening in some cases!
 

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I agree with the OP wholeheartedly. The rate at which EVs are being pushed (and they are being pushed) by the gov and corporations is unatural compared to their actual performance and the sacrifices that you have to make to own an EV as your primary or only vehicle. This is coming from someone who owns currently 4 electric cars and has converted a gas vehicle to EV and commuted 70 miles a day for several years in an EV.

The fact that EVs and remote-disabling of systems kind of go hand-in-hand really worries me also. Over the air updates that remove features, reduce range, etc. That is really a bad omen for the car industry IMO. Personally, I am hanging on to my 90s and 00s cars as long as physically possible. I'll still play with EVs.
 

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Sorry, long post here. TLDR at the end

Electric cars are here to stay. Just like film cameras and vinyl records have been replaced by digital cameras and Spotify, the ICE (internal combustion engine) will be replaced with electric motors. Convenience always wins out.

First I'll address the convenience of electric cars. First, much less maintenance. You don't have to do oil changes. You will never have a leaking head gasket. Getting rid of thousands of moving parts makes these vehicles more reliable in theory. In practice, we have 2 main drawbacks of electric cars - range and battery degradation. Let's talk about range first. There is a company called Plugless that has tested and released to the public a wireless charger for electric vehicles. The next logical step for this technology is to create a patch of road that can be driven over and will charge a vehicle while traveling. I won't get into the science, but the science is possible. In 10 years, I don't believe this to be a far stretch. So let's switch to battery degradation. Batteries are complete garbage after 10 years, right? Well, not exactly. There are a few factors that go into how a battery degrades over time. The biggest factor in how a battery degrades is heat. For instance, a 2012 Leaf degrades like crazy. The battery is air-cooled, and just like a Porsche 993, there's only so much you can do with an air cooled power unit. The battery gets hot, and without liquid cooling, this accelerates degradation. The second factor is "calendar degradation" which just means a loss in range over time. Whether the battery is used or not, the battery will suffer degradation over time. It's worse in hotter climates (this is why your parents might have at one point stored batteries in the freezer) because higher heats allow for more electron movement in the battery cells. After 10 years, even a battery that sits unused in a freezer is going to have degradation. It's inevitable. So what's the solution? Well, there's a few. Researchers at the University of California, Irvine have tested a battery technology using gold nano-wire batteries encapsulated in gel, with no degradation after 200,000 charge cycles. That technology is still 10-15 years away from being implemented, and is quite expensive. However, as with all things, it will get less expensive over time, as we may not have to use gold for the nano-wire and things of that nature. Sooner than 10-15 years though, we have a company called NAWA Technologies, who just patented a carbon-electrode battery, with 10x battery power, 3x battery storage, and 5x less battery degradation - meaning batteries will be garbage after 50 years. This technology is maybe 5 years away. And the best part of this battery is that it has a lower environmental impact than current batteries, meaning that electric cars will actually be better for the environment than ICE cars. There are a lot more theoretical technologies out there, so I'll leave a link down below if I can find one. But these 2 are my favorite.

Now, I hear what you're saying. "ICE cars have soul, and electric cars have no fun factor!!" Well, true. Just like film cameras and vinyl, ICE cars will probably never go away fully. There will be niche automakers that create ICE cars, and a select few people will buy. But the mass market will not. And as far as soul? Drive a Taycan Turbo S. It's a fun freaking car. Teslas have no soul, but a Taycan? 85% of the fun of an ICE. Sure you can't pop an exhaust on it and wake up your neighbors. If you're into that sort of thing, buy a Mustang GT before they go hybrid with the next model. As someone that has a lot of professional experience driving cars close to or at their limit, some electric cars still have soul. Maybe not as much as an ICE yet, but that will change. And realistically, we're talking about 10% of the population that cares. Most people don't enjoy cars. I saw a survey a while ago that said something like 20% of guys and 5% of women opened the hood on their own car 5x or more a year. Hell, I didn't open the hood on my CRZ more than 5 times last year. We're talking about such a small portion of the consumer market that financially, automakers don't have to care what enthusiasts want.

With all that being said, let's look to the future. If we can solve range anxiety and battery degradation, where does that leave us? Well, that leaves us with electric cars being favored to ICE cars, with a phase-out of ICE cars imminent. The consumer market will flock to electric cars, especially if you can drive over patches of road and charge your vehicle. No more gas station visits sounds enticing to me, that's the part of driving I hate most. And as far as the 10% of the population that cares? The 10% that own 1990's Miatas, 2000's M-Series, and 2010's big lifted trucks? They're sort of out of luck. With advances in battery technology, the life of a fun, light, nimble car probably isn't over. Hopefully

TLDR - electric cars are going to win out over ICE. The road to get there is 10-15 years away, and fun ICE cars are going to become a very small niche. But fun electric cars may not be as niche of a product, it depends on how quickly batteries can advance and the demand for a fun car without an ICE

 

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I get that it’s extremely fast. 8K digital cinema HDR is extremely detailed. It still doesn’t matter to some.
I couldn’t care less if the masses want boring blob CUVs.
I will only be upset if it means I can no longer make cross-continental road trips in my ICE car because petrol stations are no longer something that is commonplace.
 

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Most of the people that are part of a forum for their car are not the market that manufacturers are targeting. Manufacturers are targeting people that have a new vehicle every 2-7 years, because that's where the money is. So most of us here are going to get pushed aside
 

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Hopefully i don't take too much of your points out of context.

We have 2 main drawbacks of electric cars - range and battery degradation. Let's talk about range first. There is a company called Plugless that has tested and released to the public a wireless charger for electric vehicles. The next logical step for this technology is to create a patch of road that can be driven over and will charge a vehicle while traveling. I won't get into the science, but the science is possible. In 10 years, I don't believe this to be a far stretch.
Out side of the car itself is infrastructure to charge it, moving US politics aside the country would need a real over haul. Expensive high rises are building charging stations in their complex's garage but the average person relies on street parking where they cannot charge at home. This tech the company called "Plugless" is developing would have a hard time working in places that snow, causing issues in large parts of the US. Snow plows cause a lot of damage to the roads and would destroy a lot of these charging patches. We would also need a unified charging outlet because we seem to be in the early days of cell phones before they mostly went micro-USB. Setting up charging stations or charging areas will be the most crucial part in the US.


We have a company called NAWA Technologies, who just patented a carbon-electrode battery, with 10x battery power, 3x battery storage, and 5x less battery degradation - meaning batteries will be garbage after 50 years. This technology is maybe 5 years away. And the best part of this battery is that it has a lower environmental impact than current batteries, meaning that electric cars will actually be better for the environment than ICE cars .
One of the big causes for contention right now is the process of mining Lithium so hopefully they would be a better solution to the scarcity and environmental costs of mining.

Overall i don't think the US is ready to transition in the next 10-15 years unless things are really going to be put into place. People are still up in arms about bike lanes being added to streets and are still pushing diesel to be the dominate fuel source.
 

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EV’s will not gain wide acceptance until there are options that people below the poverty line can afford. That will not happen in the next 10, 20 or maybe even 30 years. And with used car prices shooting up, the day they rule the roads is getting farther and farther away.

The average price of a used EV is around $45k. They’re less than 5% of all cars on the road. Very few people making less than 60k a year can afford a new one. Ten year old Teslas are still out of range of most blue collar families. Even Nissan Leafs, which most people hate, are barely affordable to blue collar workers.

Simply put, it matters not how nice EV’s are. If most people can’t afford them, they’ll remain a niche. Why are Mercedes-Benz a symbol of status for going in 70 years? Because most people without status can’t afford them. That works for EV’s now and for the foreseeable future as well.
 
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