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I got in the zed this afternoon to go fix my mum's telly for the umpteenth time this year.

I started the car and was fiddling about and then went to drive off. As I put the car into drive, I started hearing a rattling noise. I put the car back into P and it stopped. I tried R, no noise. N, no noise.

I took it to the local Honda dealer and paid for a diagnostic check. I had no error codes showing.

They told me that the fluid was in very good condition and seemed to have recently been changed. Then they said they don't fix transmissions and their suggestion was a new one at the cost of $7025 fitted. Isaid you got two hopes of me buying a new gearbox. Bob and No.

I find it hard to believe that a Honda gearbox would fail at 66k

Has anyone else had a similar issue to this? If so, what was the fix? I'm wondering if it's the belt?

I'm going to call Aamco tomorrow to see if they will look at it and when.
 

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So I've been googling as one does when shite like this comes up and I found a post on Fit Freak. The poster has a video that sounds exactly like what the zed is doing and only in drive.


Here's his response with the fix

"Hello, so i took to Honda Dealership and they diagnosed it, actually it isn't the CVT, but the exhaust system, the tech guy show me when D mode is engaged the engine slightly bends forward which caused the exhaust pipe to touch a "protection" under the car (which is why i could only hear it from below the car and not from the engine bay) making the weird sound as the engine vibrates everything.

All they did was change some brackets and tighten some screws and that was it! No more noise and also no more vibration inside the car.

I was so relieved that it wasn't the CVT.

So in case anyone goes through the same noise, have your exhaust system checked would be the first thing."

Does the zed motor tilt forward a bit when drive is engaged? I was driving my son home on the motorway and was overtaking a lorry when I spotted a lump of lorry tyre in the middle of my lane. There was no way I could avoid it other than going off the road so I went over it to hear a thump. I'm wondering if I've bent the exhaust somehow by that.

Nomally I have the stereo going before I pull away so I don't know exactly when this started happening.
 

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Thanks for the reply mate.

I've got it booked to go in for a gearbox flush and for them to have a good look underneath. Hopefully I find an answer as there's no way I'm paying 7k for a new gearbox.
 

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Thanks for the reply mate.

I've got it booked to go in for a gearbox flush and for them to have a good look underneath. Hopefully I find an answer as there's no way I'm paying 7k for a new gearbox.
if you're buying used, the 2013-16 CVT had an additional sensor on it. you can put the later CVT into a 2010-12 car with no problems, but can't put a 10-12 cvt into a 13-16 car.
 

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Thanks for the reply mate.

I've got it booked to go in for a gearbox flush and for them to have a good look underneath. Hopefully I find an answer as there's no way I'm paying 7k for a new gearbox.
Worst case scenario you can get a used low miles CVT for less then $1k and most shops should charge no more then $600-$800 labor. My 1st blown CVT was replaced for $1600 parts and labor.
 
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98firephoenix/tikeybun, any suggestions on places to look should things go tits up and I have to replace it? I'm pretty sure it isn't the cvt, I think hitting that type bent the exhaust upwards a bit and it's touching a heat shield especially as it only does it in drive.
 

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98firephoenix/tikeybun, any suggestions on places to look should things go tits up and I have to replace it? I'm pretty sure it isn't the cvt, I think hitting that type bent the exhaust upwards a bit and it's touching a heat shield especially as it only does it in drive.
the one I bought from Ebay is running smoothly with no issues.
 

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Well I had it looked at by the repair shop around the corner from me and they said they couldn't see anywhere where the exhaust was touch a heat shield or the floor pan. I'm back to square one again.

I have the foxwell scanner on its way to me so I'll plug it in and see if there are any issues that show up. I'll call the local Aamco place to see if they'll actually repair it or not. Failing that, I'll be looking on ebay for a used cvt.
 

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Well I had it looked at by the repair shop around the corner from me and they said they couldn't see anywhere where the exhaust was touch a heat shield or the floor pan. I'm back to square one again.

I have the foxwell scanner on its way to me so I'll plug it in and see if there are any issues that show up. I'll call the local Aamco place to see if they'll actually repair it or not. Failing that, I'll be looking on ebay for a used cvt.
Look for a shop that is not Aamco . Many of their shops are scammers.
 

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Yeah, I was wary of going there. I'm not sure if there's a independent transmission place around me.
 

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I found a place so I'll give that a punt.

I still think it isn't the transmission as it came on all of a sudden, after I ran over the chunk of lorry tyre on the motorway. It was only because I didn't have the stereo on that I heard it.

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Hope it isn't this, but I had rod knock not that long ago, luckily got the whole trans replaced under warranty. The knocking sound was only in drive, and sped up as the revs climbed, but was only able to hear it under like 3k ish. Hope you sort it out, good luck!
 

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I called the place that said they do transmissions and he said basically no one will rebuild a cvt (disposable society much?). That onlt leaves the local Aamco and I've never trusted them. I'm sure if I took it there, they just want to put a new cvt in.

I have it booked at the honda dealers for a trans flush and fill as I know the fluid is low. I'm fingers crossed, hoping that might be the issue. If that doesn't work, I'll have tto bite the bullet and get a used cvt from ebay and pay to have it fitted.

If I was keeping thiecar, I'd get a manual gearbox and have it fitted as life is just better with a manual. The car will be my son's once he has his license and he doesn't want to learn how to change gears.
 

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At this point you do not know the car has an issue other than low fluid. Converting a CVT to manual or the other way is more expensive and difficult than just selling it and getting another car with the transmission you want. As for your son if it is a choice of a manual transmission car or no car he will change his tune.

You have spoken to 2 shops total. There has got to be a shop that can repair/rebuild a CVT transmission or obtain for you a good used one or rebuilt one and install it. If they say they will not rebuild it then how can you trust they will do anything right? Although it might be more cost-effective to just get a used transmission or a rebuilt from a (CVT) transmission specialist or sending yours to a (CVT) transmission specialist. There are specialty companies that do all kinds of work like this including upgrades when they rebuild. I see on the auto shows all kinds of specialty companies for major parts of vehicles. Transmissions and motors are 2 things there are a lot of specialty companies for. You just have to have patience and do some research.
 

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I was just making the comment about what I'd do if I were keeping it mate. I don't want to sell the car as I've only had it for a month and a half. My son loves it. The local dealer sent me an email offering to buy it from me but I figured I'd get a low ball offer unless I was buying a new car (which I'll never do).

My next car will be a manual and I'm going to make him learn how to drive it. Even if I burn a clutch. It's just something you should know how to do.
 

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See what they offer and get an MT now before no CR-Zs exist that are worth owning, and you know it has low fluid and being used it was probably never serviced or not often enough. Make sure they replace that filter on the back of the radiator. With the pandemic and the shortage of vehicles, you might be surprised at what you could sell it for. Then you can have what you want (an MT CR-Z) before they do not exist. Nothing to lose by asking around. When I sold my last car pre-pandemic I got offered 2 times what the dealer offered me for it by Carmax and I took the offer and took a cab home.

I get those emails every week by all kinds of dealers asking to buy my CR-Z. I just laugh as they really do not want it, as they are hard to sell they just want traffic at the dealer to try and sell the crap they have or to get it at a low price, so they can sell it at the ridiculous high prices today as they have no inventory. Something that they have is better than nothing and an empty lot. I actually called one dealer and told him what it was, and he pretty much lost interest as soon as I called. Those letters are automated. I get them for both of my dead parent's cars that are long gone every month.

Every year there are less and less MT cars being sold. The CR-Z is an oddity it was one of few or only Hybrids available with an MT transmission in the US.

I was just making the comment about what I'd do if I were keeping it mate. I don't want to sell the car as I've only had it for a month and a half. My son loves it. The local dealer sent me an email offering to buy it from me but I figured I'd get a low ball offer unless I was buying a new car (which I'll never do).

My next car will be a manual and I'm going to make him learn how to drive it. Even if I burn a clutch. It's just something you should know how to do.
 

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I already had the dealer order the filter. The car has 67k on it as a 2012. I was told on the first diagnosis by the dealer that the fluid was clean (as in it had been recently done). What I cant figure out was why the tech didn't look at the dipstick and top it up to where it should be.

I have no idea what brand of fluid is in there, hence the flush and fill.

I don't really want a cr-z. It's my sons car. I need a bit more room in a car that what the zed offers. Honda could have knocked it out of the ballpark with a cr-z with a peppy engine. I think they would have sold many more and that it'd still be in production. Look at all the people who are trying to wring out horses from the standard zed. Maybe a 1.8L vtec with options. Seems like a no brainier to me.

As for me, this is the first Honda I've ever had. I'm looking at some civic SI's as well as my favoured Focus ST. I'm a blue oval head at heart. I just want to get this car in shape. I've seen people here get 300k out of them. My boss has the insight and he's got loads of miles on it and still gets 51 mpg. It's just a fugly motor.
 

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If they did not check the transmission dipstick the proper way, then they are untrustworthy. Mine has never been low on fluid and at 85K miles the fluid has been changed 4 times (during the life of the car and recorded in the service history book) so has that filter. I check it every few months. It has not gotten very much darker than when it was installed.

Oil on the other hand has dropped a little between the 10K/minder or once a year oil changes. But I am odd I am the only owner and I do my maintenances early.

If it needs a transmission you are maybe able to use the lemon law to dispose of it and be made whole then buy whatever you really want with an MT transmission.
 
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