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So I posted on this site before the car came out. I loved the CRZ ever since it was the concept 4 or 5 years ago. But when the car came out, I wasn't happy with the US reviews, so I decided I wasn't a fan of the CRZ anymore and decided to look up other cars like the Veloster, and mroe recently the Chevy Cruze (the first american car I'm interested in)

But the new rumor just revived my interest. I love hybrids and sporty hondas, and the current CRZ was just short of perfection, and I felt they messed up something that was hard to mess up. The one imprefection I'm referring to is it almost seems like the battery pack weight offsets the electric utility.

With the 1.6 L Turbo rumor, I hope it can get way better performance and good mileage along with being light weight. And I definitely hope they fix 6th gear so it doesnt' rev so high on the highway!

PS I saw a CRZ on the highway this week (3rd one I've seen in persno) and it was gorgoeus. But I was like dammit pls fix the imperfections the next time and I'm sold :)
 

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So I posted on this site before the car came out. I loved the CRZ ever since it was the concept 4 or 5 years ago. But when the car came out, I wasn't happy with the US reviews, so I decided I wasn't a fan of the CRZ anymore and decided to look up other cars like the Veloster, and mroe recently the Chevy Cruze (the first american car I'm interested in)

But the new rumor just revived my interest. I love hybrids and sporty hondas, and the current CRZ was just short of perfection, and I felt they messed up something that was hard to mess up. The one imprefection I'm referring to is it almost seems like the battery pack weight offsets the electric utility.

With the 1.6 L Turbo rumor, I hope it can get way better performance and good mileage along with being light weight. And I definitely hope they fix 6th gear so it doesnt' rev so high on the highway!

PS I saw a CRZ on the highway this week (3rd one I've seen in persno) and it was gorgoeus. But I was like dammit pls fix the imperfections the next time and I'm sold :)
Gordio, have you gone and taken the CR-Z out on a fairly lengthy test drive or do, using the various drive modes (economoy/normal/sport)? I'm assuming you did based on your comment about "6th gear," but just wanted to be sure.
 

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So I posted on this site before the car came out. I loved the CRZ ever since it was the concept 4 or 5 years ago. But when the car came out, I wasn't happy with the US reviews, so I decided I wasn't a fan of the CRZ anymore and decided to look up other cars like the Veloster, and mroe recently the Chevy Cruze (the first american car I'm interested in)

But the new rumor just revived my interest. I love hybrids and sporty hondas, and the current CRZ was just short of perfection, and I felt they messed up something that was hard to mess up. The one imprefection I'm referring to is it almost seems like the battery pack weight offsets the electric utility.

With the 1.6 L Turbo rumor, I hope it can get way better performance and good mileage along with being light weight. And I definitely hope they fix 6th gear so it doesnt' rev so high on the highway!

PS I saw a CRZ on the highway this week (3rd one I've seen in persno) and it was gorgoeus. But I was like dammit pls fix the imperfections the next time and I'm sold :)
This statement is so dumb. You weren't a fan because somebody else didn't like it?!?! Drive the car yourself and then make a decision. I drove it and loved it.
 

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I wasn't happy with the US reviews, so I decided I wasn't a fan of the CRZ anymore
Perhaps you can read some UK reviews, so you will become a fan again?
If you can read other languages, reviews from Europe and Japan are some good choice too.

BTW, I think those US reviewers have to take decades to figure out that what balance is and there is actually something exist in between.

"although not the most powerful in the market, offers sufficient performance coupled with economy and refinement."

A lot of them don't get that idea. They need Dominick Cobb to perform "inception" to them.
 

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This statement is so dumb. You weren't a fan because somebody else didn't like it?!?! Drive the car yourself and then make a decision. I drove it and loved it.
I currently drive a fit, and given the mpg and speed numbers I see (and loss of a back row), it seems like it's not worth buying a new car to get a modest upgrade.
 

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I currently drive a fit, and given the mpg and speed numbers I see (and loss of a back row), it seems like it's not worth buying a new car to get a modest upgrade.
I own both a 5MT Fit and a 6MT CRZ.

Utility wise there is no beating the Fit.

Economy wise, the CRZ's IMA powerplant will add 2-3 mpg and you will lose some acceleration compared to the Fit. In side by side testing, my Fit proved to be considerably quicker than the CRZ in every gear.

Styling wise the CRZ is much hotter. Exclusivity wise the CRZ is the ticket. One advantage of the limited, utility and market, for a 2 seater is that you won't have to see yourself coming and going as is the case with the Fit.

A change from a Fit to a CRZ has be purely emotionally driven. You either love the style and exclusivity of the CRZ enough to sacrifice allot of utility and a little power or you stick with the economy and utility of the Fit.

But don't count on a non hybrid CRZ anytime soon.
 

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Perhaps you can read some UK reviews, so you will become a fan again?
If you can read other languages, reviews from Europe and Japan are some good choice too.

BTW, I think those US reviewers have to take decades to figure out that what balance is and there is actually something exist in between.

"although not the most powerful in the market, offers sufficient performance coupled with economy and refinement."

A lot of them don't get that idea. They need Dominick Cobb to perform "inception" to them.

:rotfl:

I own both a 5MT Fit and a 6MT CRZ.

Utility wise there is no beating the Fit.

Economy wise, the CRZ's IMA powerplant will add 2-3 mpg and you will lose some acceleration compared to the Fit. In side by side testing, my Fit proved to be considerably quicker than the CRZ in every gear.

Styling wise the CRZ is much hotter. Exclusivity wise the CRZ is the ticket. One advantage of the limited, utility and market, for a 2 seater is that you won't have to see yourself coming and going as is the case with the Fit.

A change from a Fit to a CRZ has be purely emotionally driven. You either love the style and exclusivity of the CRZ enough to sacrifice allot of utility and a little power or you stick with the economy and utility of the Fit.

But don't count on a non hybrid CRZ anytime soon.
this is what i dont get. i read this in your writeup but CRZ's put down more power than the fit (dyno) and the fit weighs within 100lbs of the CRZ. with the electric motor giving low end tq i dont see how the Fit is faster... I dont own the two so i trust you know more than i do but its still surprising.



To the OP: drive it before you judge. Also, there are turbo kits in development. If honda uses the same motor but adds a turbo it will not be worth getting unless they make other changes. The r18 civic and the si have almost nothing in common so in that case its worth getting the SI if u want performance. If honda only adds a turbo, you can do that yourself and probably make more power on the same boost - only difference is warranty on the motor itself
 

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this is what i dont get. i read this in your writeup but CRZ's put down more power than the fit (dyno) and the fit weighs within 100lbs of the CRZ. with the electric motor giving low end tq i dont see how the Fit is faster... I dont own the two so i trust you know more than i do but its
I was just as surprised. By the seat of the pants both cars feel about the same with regard to power. But when lined up side by side rolling along at 20 mph, and flooring both cars simultaneously, the Fit literally walks away from the CRZ in 2nd and 3rd gears. I did not test in 4th, but the results in 2nd and 3rd were so dramatic, there was no need for any further testing. Acceleration off the line would depend on your launch and skill, so I eliminated this in my testing by starting from a rolling start.

There are other factors affecting acceleration, besides weight and power, and they are gearing and the effect of the electric motor. The CRZ has longer gearing and that hurts acceleration, and it is further hampered by it's lower redline. The additional power from the electric motor is primarily below 2000 rpms and this is not an area of the power band you ever spend much time in.

Bottom line the Fit is a quicker car than the CRZ, but not so much that it is notably in daily driving, but don't go racing for titles, or you'll be walking home.

However, I am more bothered by the fact that my 6MT CRZ is only achieving 2.7 more MPGs than my 5MT Fit under the same conditions. You would think the hybrid stuff would result in more of a difference than that.
 

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I was just as surprised. By the seat of the pants both cars feel about the same with regard to power. But when lined up side by side rolling along at 20 mph, and flooring both cars simultaneously, the Fit literally walks away from the CRZ in 2nd and 3rd gears. I did not test in 4th, but the results in 2nd and 3rd were so dramatic, there was no need for any further testing. Acceleration off the line would depend on your launch and skill, so I eliminated this in my testing by starting from a rolling start.

There are other factors affecting acceleration, besides weight and power, and they are gearing and the effect of the electric motor. The CRZ has longer gearing and that hurts acceleration, and it is further hampered by it's lower redline. The additional power from the electric motor is primarily below 2000 rpms and this is not an area of the power band you ever spend much time in.

Bottom line the Fit is a quicker car than the CRZ, but not so much that it is notably in daily driving, but don't go racing for titles, or you'll be walking home.

However, I am more bothered by the fact that my 6MT CRZ is only achieving 2.7 more MPGs than my 5MT Fit under the same conditions. You would think the hybrid stuff would result in more of a difference than that.
Tires and/or driver IMO. I too have owned both.
 

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I was just as surprised. By the seat of the pants both cars feel about the same with regard to power. But when lined up side by side rolling along at 20 mph, and flooring both cars simultaneously, the Fit literally walks away from the CRZ in 2nd and 3rd gears. I did not test in 4th, but the results in 2nd and 3rd were so dramatic, there was no need for any further testing. Acceleration off the line would depend on your launch and skill, so I eliminated this in my testing by starting from a rolling start.

There are other factors affecting acceleration, besides weight and power, and they are gearing and the effect of the electric motor. The CRZ has longer gearing and that hurts acceleration, and it is further hampered by it's lower redline. The additional power from the electric motor is primarily below 2000 rpms and this is not an area of the power band you ever spend much time in.

Bottom line the Fit is a quicker car than the CRZ, but not so much that it is notably in daily driving, but don't go racing for titles, or you'll be walking home.

However, I am more bothered by the fact that my 6MT CRZ is only achieving 2.7 more MPGs than my 5MT Fit under the same conditions. You would think the hybrid stuff would result in more of a difference than that.
yeah, thats interesting. its good that you were able to do a comparison though. I would also have thought that IMA would make more of a difference. Either way, if i had to do it again i'd still pick the CRZ
 

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yeah, thats interesting. its good that you were able to do a comparison though. I would also have thought that IMA would make more of a difference. Either way, if i had to do it again i'd still pick the CRZ
The IMA makes a difference mostly in low RPMs tho. A sprint involves high RPMs so I can see how the fit can be faster.

it's true about emotion. If I bought the CRZ, it would be emotion driven but I don't have money to get a car for that reason. Everytime I see the car on the highway I drool. The CRZ was *sooooo* close to the perfect car I've always dreamed of. I've been following the car since concept and every rendition looks better than the last. but the numbers just pop my bubble...

regardless of whether it'll come out as a non-hybrid or not, I have high expectations for the future trims of CRZ.
 

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i was ready to get the car before i test drove it because it would allow my to ride in the HOV lane to and from work, it got good gas mileage, and it didnt look hideous. i test drove it and almost crapped myself. is it as fast as any other car i've owned? no. but it still drives really well, and the CVT will stay pulling hard at high speeds.
 

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I traded my 6MT 2.0T 2010 GTI for my CR-Z. Sure it's not reviewed as highly, or as fast, but it puts a smile on my face, and it has personality. Besides, if I want to go fast, I still have my bike.
 
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