Spoon CR-Z : Spoon CR-Z Pictures

[MikeCR-Z]

Originally Posted by Sam

the test of spoon: World Exclusive Test: 2011 Spoon Sports CR-Z - Article - Road and Track

World Exclusive Test: 2011 Spoon Sports CR-Z - Road Test























Images Found At: World Exclusive Test: 2011 Spoon Sports CR-Z - Gallery

[MikeCR-Z]

Images Found At: World Exclusive Test: 2011 Spoon Sports CR-Z - Gallery

[YLA]

well.. I found it ugly..

sorry

[bizzybear]

wow the parts that jumped out to me were these:

• The ECU was remapped, increasing redline from 6200 rpm to 8500, with more torque in the mid range.
• Together, the gasoline engine and electric motor produce about 145 bhp and about 150 lb.-ft. of torque
• dashed to 60 mph in a scant 6.9 seconds and to the quarter mile in 15.5

just those numbers alone make the CR-Z even more interesting than b4... especially the raised rev limiter... i wasn't sure how high the stock motor can go w/o damaging something but it seems like it can handle the added power and higher revs...

those numbers also put it close to the USDM stock civic Si numbers... lets hope that the hurt fuel economy of 25c/29h was just in Sport mode... if econ can retain 35h+ then that's a real winner...

my question is, why didn't Honda release the CR-Z with these specs in the first place??

[SpoonCrz]

Originally Posted by bizzybear

wow the parts that jumped out to me were these:

• The ECU was remapped, increasing redline from 6200 rpm to 8500, with more torque in the mid range.
• Together, the gasoline engine and electric motor produce about 145 bhp and about 150 lb.-ft. of torque
• dashed to 60 mph in a scant 6.9 seconds and to the quarter mile in 15.5

just those numbers alone make the CR-Z even more interesting than b4... especially the raised rev limiter... i wasn't sure how high the stock motor can go w/o damaging something but it seems like it can handle the added power and higher revs...

those numbers also put it close to the USDM stock civic Si numbers... lets hope that the hurt fuel economy of 25c/29h was just in Sport mode... if econ can retain 35h+ then that's a real winner...

my question is, why didn't Honda release the CR-Z with these specs in the first place??

Also the weight 200lbs was reduced. Likely, no airbag, sound deaden, etc...
Also read $8000 in parts. All that to make it match a Civic Si's performance.

So is this worth a stock civic si which has all the safety and comfort features and less $8000?

[dorifuto.boi]

Originally Posted by SpoonCrz

Also the weight 200lbs was reduced. Likely, no airbag, sound deaden, etc...
Also read $8000 in parts. All that to make it match a Civic Si's performance.

So is this worth a stock civic si which has all the safety and comfort features and less $8000?

good point

some of the performance comes from the weight loss and some comes from parts. but we don't know the extent of the engine work.

so if they only had bolt on parts such as an intake and exhaust along with the 200lb weight loss (stock engine internals), then most of the performace would be from the retune. an ecu flash is essentially "free"... so honda could've made a better ecu map and the car would have more power and the car wouldn't have been much more expensive than it is now. not saying a retune will match a civic si but it will make the cr-z faster without a lot more money right ? (because i think that most of the 8kusd actually goes towards the wheels, coilovers, front sway bar, exhaust, etc) <-- nothing that'll affect the engine too much

and im gonna assume honda didn't do this in the first place because they didn't want the already low mpg to go any lower and they wanted to keep the emissions down.

[bizzybear]

Originally Posted by SpoonCrz

Also the weight 200lbs was reduced. Likely, no airbag, sound deaden, etc...
Also read $8000 in parts. All that to make it match a Civic Si's performance.

So is this worth a stock civic si which has all the safety and comfort features and less $8000?

$8,000 worth of upgrades sound really preferential rather than for pure performance increase...

well some say my '06 Si was a freak b/c i never dyno'd lower than 190whp/139wtq even while completely stock... TB spacer and some heat gaskets had me at 195whp/146wtq... another great thing about it is i averaged about 26-28mpg combined city/hwy and that's while vtec-ing EVERY time i drove it... getting over 32hwy mpg wasn't hard at all either for me...

i only say that b/c the numbers they stated sound really conservative to me... 25c/29h even if it gets those numbers in "Sport" mode that's pretty decent... i'm sure "Econ" mode gets well over 30mpg...

also read below for the rest of my response

Originally Posted by dorifuto.boi

good point

some of the performance comes from the weight loss and some comes from parts. but we don't know the extent of the engine work.

so if they only had bolt on parts such as an intake and exhaust along with the 200lb weight loss (stock engine internals), then most of the performace would be from the retune. an ecu flash is essentially "free"... so honda could've made a better ecu map and the car would have more power and the car wouldn't have been much more expensive than it is now. not saying a retune will match a civic si but it will make the cr-z faster without a lot more money right ? (because i think that most of the 8kusd actually goes towards the wheels, coilovers, front sway bar, exhaust, etc) <-- nothing that'll affect the engine too much

according to that article they said they only had an exhaust and from the pictures you can see they didn't have an intake and they mentioned nothing about modifying the engine... otherwise i'd assume they'd at least mention adding hc pistons, cams, crank, etc...

so my assumption is, this power came from ONLY tuning, lower vtec, better A/F, not to mention raising that pitiful rev limter... which, btw, would be one of the major things for me to NOT get this car... if i can't rev it at least to 7,500rpm w/o major work i'd rather get something else...

when the current Si/CTR came out, Spoon got a hold of one and modded the engine to rev to 11,000... they did this by swapping the K20A crank with the F20C (S2000), they also swapped the pistons with the H22 (Prelude)... upgraded valve springs/retainers... it made 250hp @ 9,500 which was up from the 225hp @ 8,600... the thing about all that is they TOLD us what they did essentially... they didn't leave us thinking it was all stock parts...

so knowing that and the kind of company they are, i'm going to assume that it is like i said above... a tune + exhaust + "Sport" mode and nothing else (for engine performance)...

my cars are NOT race cars so weight reduction for the sake of gaining .5 sec at the track isn't something i do... hell my Si race weight was 3050lbs and i still managed to get to 14.9 (1/4 mile) 100% stock while others with I/H/E, removed seats/spare tire/etc were only getting to 14.5-15.1... point for me is, if the engine performance is there, i will make the car perform above standards...

Originally Posted by dorifuto.boi

and im gonna assume honda didn't do this in the first place because they didn't want the already low mpg to go any lower and they wanted to keep the emissions down.

i understand this point for emissions but if i'm right about the mpg figures being in "Sport" mode then they could've been super conservative and really tuned "Econ" for great mpg... i look at the 3-modes as a quick reflash for the car... "Econ" limits to 6,200 and 120hp/130tq... "Norm" keeps those settings but adds slightly better response with pedal/steering... "Sport" increases response on those things and refines the engines output by raising the limiter to 8,500 with 145hp/150tq... that would be the WORLDS best Hybrid hands down...

in fact, if i can get my CR-Z to do something similar to that, i will have no intention of ever selling it...

[bizzybear]

found this on youtube... someone please feel free to translate haha...



and i also saw this info on another site http://www.jdmhonda.org/spoon-cr-z-track-test/

Originally Posted by jdmhonda.org

Spoon decided to test the Honda CR-Z demo car at the track, the car has the following Spoon parts installed:

* Spoon Suspension
* Spoon Ecu
* Spoon Brake Calipers
* Spoon Carbon Bonnet
* Spoon N1 Exhaust

The car is now 3 seconds faster at the track compared to the standard model!

[bizzybear]

Originally Posted by alric

I really want to find out what wheels the blue ones are too. Look amazing on a white cr-z. Also I wonder what offset they are. 225/45 R17 is easy to read tho!

Originally Posted by SHG_Mike

the wheels pictured are spoons new wheel

Originally Posted by dorifuto.boi

so its made by spoon ?
cause spoon's old wheels were made by another company

just saw the answer

Originally Posted by autoblog

While we thought bright blue wheels went out of vogue (even in the U.S.) in 2008, Spoon has coated its CR93 rollers in the company's signature hue

[dorifuto.boi]

oh sweet now we know what spoon's new wheels are. thanks~

also, if its just exhaust + tune like you said, then i really feel that making the cr-z do what spoon made it do (engine wise) wouldn't be too expensive. because the spoon cr-z has coilovers, brake calipers, wheels which would add up to a bit more than 4k. so thats already 4k off the 8k for the complete spoon package. minus whatever else they did that doesn't add those horsepower, then the leftover price goes towards the exhaust + tune which is what added the power.

oh and i hope spoon gets us a dyno graph of this new tune + exhaust. i really wanna see the new power curve vs. the stock one.