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post #21 of 66 (permalink) Old 06-13-2016, 05:45 PM
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Auto manufacturers are required to manufacture and stock parts for ten years after the last vehicle rolls off the assembly line.
Are you sure about that? I thought it was 5 years.
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The stockpiling concerns aren't in the "wear" parts- it's the other pieces that no other manufacturer would step-up to build. Trim, seals, knobs, handles and the like. Look at what NPW sell for Camaros and other rolling pieces of crap from Chevy- weatherstripping, chrome trim and the like. The Z doesn't have nearly the customer base that American cars do, nor the kind of aftermarket manufacturers who contribute to what used to go into a car.

Here's an Old Man Anecdote that might explain some of it for you- I was a theater projectionist for half a decade, long before digital was anything more than a future wish. I drove the film prints from San Francisco to St. Helena, CA, spliced the shipping reels on to a big reel and showed movies. Not even a platter system, although even doing "make-ups" by splicing the shipping reels into longer runs was rare enough at the time. I ran a carbon-arc lamp behind projectors that were made in the thirties, a Peerless Mag-na-Arc and Simplex E-10 projectors.
The projector drove things with a vertical gear shaft, metal pinions running in fiber gears, which wore out about every ten years or so. We dealt with Western Theatrical in SF for parts, and when we stripped a driven gear on one of the projectors, I had to go to them to get replacements. "You're lucky you're running the E-10 with that vertical drive," the parts man told me. "The E-12 went to a slanted main drive shaft, a lot quieter and easier on the parts. They never wear out. So no one's ever made parts for them. When one of those wears out, you throw it away. An E-10 you can almost build a new one out of the available replacement parts."

Don't panic. The stuff coming on to the market will make the lovely CR-Z look as hoary as the Z makes an MG Midget look. Oh, and it'll be electric and three times faster, for less money.
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Thats the thing though. I don't BUY new cars, or want to buy one. Dont need the debt! So..I want to keep mine going.

Hopefully the aftermarket companies will keep things going. I really love this car so far! With over 170k on mine, its been great!!

Maybe I should buy my quarter panels now though, since I live in salt-land. Hahaha.


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The stockpiling concerns aren't in the "wear" parts- it's the other pieces that no other manufacturer would step-up to build. Trim, seals, knobs, handles and the like. Look at what NPW sell for Camaros and other rolling pieces of crap from Chevy- weatherstripping, chrome trim and the like. The Z doesn't have nearly the customer base that American cars do, nor the kind of aftermarket manufacturers who contribute to what used to go into a car.

Here's an Old Man Anecdote that might explain some of it for you- I was a theater projectionist for half a decade, long before digital was anything more than a future wish. I drove the film prints from San Francisco to St. Helena, CA, spliced the shipping reels on to a big reel and showed movies. Not even a platter system, although even doing "make-ups" by splicing the shipping reels into longer runs was rare enough at the time. I ran a carbon-arc lamp behind projectors that were made in the thirties, a Peerless Mag-na-Arc and Simplex E-10 projectors.
The projector drove things with a vertical gear shaft, metal pinions running in fiber gears, which wore out about every ten years or so. We dealt with Western Theatrical in SF for parts, and when we stripped a driven gear on one of the projectors, I had to go to them to get replacements. "You're lucky you're running the E-10 with that vertical drive," the parts man told me. "The E-12 went to a slanted main drive shaft, a lot quieter and easier on the parts. They never wear out. So no one's ever made parts for them. When one of those wears out, you throw it away. An E-10 you can almost build a new one out of the available replacement parts."

Don't panic. The stuff coming on to the market will make the lovely CR-Z look as hoary as the Z makes an MG Midget look. Oh, and it'll be electric and three times faster, for less money.
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post #24 of 66 (permalink) Old 06-13-2016, 10:59 PM
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After seeing this I have now made the decision to keep my CRZ forever!!! Even between the 3 generations of face lifts each brought their own to the table. It is very sad to see this but it makes me happy inside knowing that I own a future rare car! Don't forget about all the crz's out there that are going to be in accidents or scrapped, numbers in 20 years from now will be lowww.
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I wouldnt be worried about parts availability. Not for some time. First, the CR-Z is still in production, its only just been announced that its coming to an end. There will be a massive pile of parts for a while. Second, the CR-Z requires very little maintenance and many of the parts are higher in quality than all the cars we've all owned previous to this one. Third, the CR-Z enthusiast/modding base is quite small compared to other vehicles (Civic, BFRSZ, Camero, Mustang and so on). The CR-Z requires almost nothing aside from basic fluids for 100,000 miles. The majority of CR-Z owners aren't replacing things on a regular basis. Even then at 100K all thats needed is a belt and some spark plugs.

As a comparison for discontinued parts availability take the 1989-2001ish CRX/Civic/Integras for example. Millions more of those around than the CR-Z and thousands of enthusiast owners bought up tens of thousands of Integra and B-series parts for more than a decades worth of their various Civic models (more buyers for parts than actual vehicle owners and vehicles sold). It got so serious that Honda had to put VIN restrictions on specific parts. You could order a Type R transmission, cylinder head, seats, 5-lug suspension, long block etc for whatever piece of crap car you wanted as they were still cranking them out, but you had to wait. Only actual owners of ITRs who provided the VIN to their real Type R would get one (next day air) from a 'secret' stock that they kept on hand for actual owners of the vehicle should they require one. Those models have all been discontinued for almost 16 years now, yet you can still get parts. Some are in short supply and some are now on the little known 'vintage parts' list, but they're still there 16 years after discontinuation with a much larger crowd consuming much more.
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I saw this article today, seems to be along the same lines.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...g-honda-cr-zs/

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Oh, Honda didn't sell many Zs.

Perhaps they should have tried advertising it.

I've never seen it mentioned on television.
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Oh, Honda didn't sell many Zs.

Perhaps they should have tried advertising it.

I've never seen it mentioned on television.
Agreed, and Honda did a terrible job highlighting the benefits of the 'mild' hybrid IMA system over its competitors. Namely the ability to drive should the high voltage system become inoperable. The biggest concern among first-time prospective hybrid owners was the large battery packs and reliability, and the majority of hybrids cannot operate without them. The Honda IMA system can. However because they didn't advertise the benefits it didn't sell as well and is now being phased out.
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post #29 of 66 (permalink) Old 06-17-2016, 01:23 AM
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The END of the CRZ

Looks like they are pulling the plug on the crz


End of the Line: 2016 Honda CR-Z Alpha Final Label


16 is the last year with a final edition.

so long crz
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There is another detailed thread on this ( two actually)
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